The only scenario in which Ukrainian casualties from the war could have been prevented is one in which the US at the start of the war goes "tough luck, you're on your own", followed by Ukraine actually surrendering unconditionally (which is not a given, they could still have kept on fighting, remember that their resolve and willingness to fight back was super high at the start of the war).

In this scenario, Taiwan - and with it the best chip foundries in the world - would belong to the Chinese right now and Russia would be trying to stir shit up in Moldova and the Baltics while still continuing to throttle gas supplies to Europe, just like they already did in 2021.


Supporting Ukraine at the start of the invasion was the right thing to do, both morally and geopolitically. That this allows the MIC to revitalize its production is a welcome side effect from their point of view (and that of the US government), but it's hardly the reason this war is being fought.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 5 2023 12:55pm

Remember they want to echo Mearsheimesr offensive realism; but they only want it to apply to countries or dictators they support.

The US acting in its self interest is tyranny and oppressive. Putin acting in his self interest is completely justified.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Dec 5 2023 01:06pm

This thread is filled with trolls like Djunior who celebrate any garbage Russian propaganda throws at them lol
they are psychologically scarred individuals (many from eastern Europe) still bitter their countries lost the cold war and some like Serbia got bombed off the map for trying to carry out genocide

Others like ferdia remind me of these loonies

geopolitical fuckery and unlimited greed are the only reason the war even broke out

the west knew russia would go to war over ukraine and did not prevent it

merkel confirmed that the minsk agreements (violated by ukranian nazis) were just to buy time to arm ukraine some more

there was a peace offer on the table after the invasion, rejected by washington and london

ukraine is sacrificed in a war they cant win to weaken russia and keep the money flowing

who cares if tax payer money driven by some ukranian farmers boys gets blown up, northrop and lockheed and rheinmetall got paid and so did their bimbos in politics

sorry, making excuses for this obvious proxy war and money laundering operation is part of the problem at this point

you can be pro or against the warmongers, its a black and white thing

This thread is filled with trolls / multis that only created their account to spam PARD.

Funny you mention Serbia, one of those countries bombed into submission by a defensive alliance

So now at least we know where you are from. Makes sense

You have no idea where I'm from and it completely doesn't matter. Nice to see you didn't have any counter argument though

How about those 17 million shells that Ukraine has requested btw? Everything going according plan right?




True degenerates make political decisions that are 100% guaranteed to wreck their own country. Ukraine knew how Russia was going react to their NATO and EU membership bid but they pressed ahead regardless.

You simply got what you voted for buddy and it's more than you bargained for which is why you're losing it right now...

Hows that 17 year old Ukrainian mobilized teenager that just died? Keep making a fool out of yourself buddy

New WAPO article describing the Ukraine counteroffensive plans, Robotyne was to be reached in 24 hours and the entire counteroffensive pushing all the way to Sea of Azov wrapped up in two to three months. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/04/ukraine-counteroffensive-stalled-russia-war-defenses/

you seem to be an expert, explain what went wrong pls, why did the shovel guy beat back Ukraine's elite NATO trained and equipped brigades.

Inb4 it's Russian propaganda for degenerates

This post was edited by Djunior on Dec 5 2023 02:05pm

I already addressed that, Zelensky wrote a law which forbids teenagers to leave Ukraine and teenagers being recruited is NOT far fetched at all regardless if that particular bit of news I posted is true or not.

By the way you conveniently failed to respond to the other news I posted (in that same post) --> Ukraine requesting 17 million shells from the US (lol)

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