I see, thanks for the reply. So, to sum it up: there might well be a few cases of forced sterilization, but you doubt that they happen systematically, right?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 8 2022 09:27am

I can assure you that the Chinese are very fast and effective since it is a one party system.
There are a number of terrorism acts that happened in China due to extremism.

And the Chinese government want complete control. They will not allow a ( Boston Marathon , 9/11, London bombings ) to happen in China proper, because that will affect the leadership.
Unlike the West nowadays which pay a lot of attention and have a large network of intelligence to clam down on and to effectively apprehend the individual or the cell.
The Chinese government will just swoop in a net anyone who is showing even the slightest signs of extremism.

I wouldn't say it is how the USA treated the Indians. It is not on that scale at the moment, because they can't.
Unlike Russia, the Central government in China is extremely Tech Savy. They are very concern about what their citizens think about them. The Facebook and twitter of China reflects a lot. There are departments created just to look at what the citizens are thinking and they try to solve the issues.
So if something happen really bad in Xinjiang, the government will come in straightaway.

Instead of doing what the Americans did to the Indians, they will move pockets of population to different parts of China.

Eliminating a culture by forced or "encouraged" interbreeding is still a form of genocide. If they are trying to wipe out a culture or people, even if its not by killing them, it can still be a genocide.

Look , I really doubt it . I want to believe that it didn't happen.
Honestly if you ask me are there Forced Sterilizations I cannot answer for sure but personally I would say YES but not on a level where you do the whole population in.
There are some fucked up officials and human beings for sure, but not on a nuclear level.

Corrupted and power hungry officials will do whatever it takes.
I want to believe there is still humanity even if they are " Communist Chinese ".

Also it doesn't make sense to sterilize them.

thats why I quoted ( Cultural Genocide ).
I have to be specific with my terms because both are very sensitive.

China has quite a diversified culture . I don't think they are trying to completely eliminate the Uyghurs. It is a lot of complicated politics , independence movement and extremism in Xinjiang.

The Beijing government tried doing a cultural genocide in Guangzhou as well, they wanted everyone to speak more mandarin and less Cantonese dialect, in the end the local government in that area flipped them off.

Where do you draw the line between "wiping out" and "assimilating"? Did the U.S. commit "cultural genocide" against its Irish/German/Italian/Eastern European immigrants when they got eventually assimilated into American mainstream culture?

This is my biggest problem with thought in the west when it comes to international politics. It's not our right to decide what's wrong and right in the world, especially when we do so capriciously based on which regime is pro west and which dares step out of line. We do not have a monopoly on moralism nor do we have some God-ordained right to tell others how things ought to be in their countries.

It would be one thing if we were logically consistent, but then there are volumes of historical accounts how we toppled democracies in banana republics, how we sponsored the Mujahedeen & other Islamists, how we care so much about conflicts/atrocities done by our adversaries but have no problem stomping out plebs in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, etc. Whether it's Russia, China or India or whatever other superpower, when you talk to them like that, there will be immediate friction. It's an inherently disrespectful tone, one that says we are superior, our ideology is superior and unless you do what we say then xyz.

that's what im referring to, from the 1820s on after Andrew Jackson signed legislation to put indians on reservations and strip them of their land.

not the previous 1600s-1800s war in the settlement phase, which FYI saw about 90% of the casualties or more caused by incidental disease passage, not guns and swords.

Assimilation is voluntary and happens naturally. If a group comes over from a foreign land and assimilates that's not wiping them out. They still exist in their original land and there wasn't a concerted effort to do so by the powers that be. Wiping out is an intentional targeting for the purpose of elimination. Such as making it illegal for them to intermary or making their culture illegal.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Apr 8 2022 09:43am

im not even strictly speaking of the US as a moral arbiter, i'm speaking of its people being against human rights issues and using our representatives to combat it. we should likewise as US people be against those reps when they commit human rights atrocities. as a Christian i disagree it's not our moral obligation. i dont care if it cause friction or not. plenty of men in the bible were stoned for telling blasphemers to honor the word of God.