Clever argument.

No one wanted war, Putin & Co is the agressor, not sure why your guys are constantly whining but feel free to join the meat army rly quick lol.

We are trying to avoid ww3 over here.
One of my cousins works for NATO.
NATO soldiers are very rich and well payed, but does it make them better soldiers than Russians are? I would rather not test it.
The best we can do is to help Ukrainians defend themselves, so that we dont have to defend and fight inside NATO territories.

Its a perfectly sound argument

Ukraine is hurting for troops and will take anyone they can get, troops are urgently needed, Ukraine is drafting 40 year old men

If one is vehemently in favour of war and rejects all peace negotiations, logic dictates they must enlist to fight

Its like someone who was pro going to war in Vietnam yet refused to enlist

You want war and reject peace, your post was crystal clear

The best we can do is pressure Ukraine to sue for peace which starts with scaling back aid

If we force Ukraine for peace under Russian terms then it will only help Russia to rebuild, regroup and attack again.
Ukraine needs a permanent peace treaty, which means some strong guarantees from NATO or even NATO membership.
If Ukraine accepts a simple cease fire, then probably many Ukrainians will leave Ukraine and Ukraine wont be able to defend next Russian attack in the future.
And then the next step for Russia is to attack NATO, what we are trying to avoid.
As brutal as it is, Ukrainians cannot let their men run away from Ukraine, if they want to defend succesfully.
Ukraine is probably the only country in Europe where people actually are brave enough to defend their country and dont simply run away.
Please stop trying to start ww3, ok?

The same logic can be applied to Ukraine, a period of peace allows Ukraine to rebuild & regroup, purge the corruption and malignancy in their government, and join NATO with defensive assurances

People have already left Ukraine en masse, the longer the war continues, less and less people will return

Supplies are already being pilfered, military leadership has no confidence of success, everyone is just pilfering aid to enrich themselves and stay away from combat (smart move, why wouldn't you?)

Yes, as long as the war continues they can't let their men flee, which will result in the destruction of their entire population as the men all die or defect to Russia and the women all flee the country.

There is no logic in maintaining the stalemate status quo for Ukraine, they continue to hemorrhage men and supplies while begging foreign nations to keep sending them money with no ROI, Russia continues to churn out supplies boosting their economy while slowly taking more territory and developing the territory theyve already taken (positive ROI)

This post was edited by El1te on Nov 21 2023 02:45pm

did you read the above article, https://braveneweurope.com/michael-von-der-schulenburg-hajo-funke-harald-kujat-peace-for-ukraine and what is your view on it ?