Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 09:49am)

No idea what that means. According to BAC calculator, I range from .4 to .7 on any given night when I drink. Is that true? Probably not.

Fentanyl is not alcohol. Fentanyl is to morphine what morphine is to Tylenol. And alcohol is to Fentanyl what cough syrup is to vodka. Let's not split hairs here.

Under normal circumstances, "Man has high doses of methamphetamines in system, fights cops, dies of heart attack" is seen in the news, it's no big deal. Even without the Fentanyl, Floyd would not be given the benefit of the doubt. Please explain why this is different?

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 1 2021 09:42am)

indeed, my buddy got a DUI, blew .3% or so, swallowed a baggie of xanies when he was pulled over, and survived just fine after a night in the drunk tank.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 09:49am)

No idea what that means. According to BAC calculator, I range from .4 to .7 on any given night when I drink. Is that true? Probably not.

Fentanyl is not alcohol. Fentanyl is to morphine what morphine is to Tylenol. And alcohol is to Fentanyl what cough syrup is to vodka. Let's not split hairs here.

Under normal circumstances, "Man has high doses of methamphetamines in system, fights cops, dies of heart attack" is seen in the news, it's no big deal. Even without the Fentanyl, Floyd would not be given the benefit of the doubt. Please explain why this is different?

Quote (thesnipa @ 1 Apr 2021 07:42)

The coroners report i initially linked was simply fact based, and as Goom states vague.

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/Exhibit112112020.pdf

this report expounds on the coroners report, and states quite clearly that while floyd was likely in an overdose scenario the lethality of that scenario is not clear should officers have not acted as they did.

so to answer your last question, per the report, they were not supposed to do what they did. because it does not clearly absolve them of guilt in Floyd's death.

if it did the prosecutor may not have charged Chauvin at all for murder, perhaps just some brutality related charge on an already on his way to death man. or the judge would have dismissed charges pre-trial as this fact would have absolved Chauvin.

every attempt was not made, as the recovery position is specifically used in cases where cardiac arrest is a present danger.

now you as a juror or member of the public are more able to look at the facts of the case and decide that Floyd was a goner regardless, but its not an objective fact per the autopsy report or coroners clarifying statements. just as the narrative that a knee on his neck killed him inherently is wholly disproved by the coroner's lack of findings of neck damage and chest damage.

its not a case that he was killed inherently, but rather that he wasnt given the best chance to survive. which is consistent with what ive said all along about what charges were appropriate and not used by the DA. its a classic overcharge to appease the masses.



indeed, my buddy got a DUI, blew .3% or so, swallowed a baggie of xanies when he was pulled over, and survived just fine after a night in the drunk tank.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 09:53am)

This is such an interesting post. You've not outlined what the officers could have done. But you're blaming them for following their training regarding a person beset by Excited Delerium.

Do you always give 100% of the benefit of the doubt to the criminal, rather than the law enforcer? If so, then why are you now trying to criminalize the law enforcer for doing their job?

"Because Floyd had covid, had taken enough drugs to kill an elephant, had a heart defect, being detained when he was actively fighting cops may have led to his cardiac arrest." Okay? So? Good riddance. What is it you're attempting to convey here?

Seriously. Make a case. You're doing a poor job.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 09:49am)

No idea what that means. According to BAC calculator, I range from .4 to .7 on any given night when I drink. Is that true? Probably not.

Fentanyl is not alcohol. Fentanyl is to morphine what morphine is to Tylenol. And alcohol is to Fentanyl what cough syrup is to vodka. Let's not split hairs here.

Under normal circumstances, "Man has high doses of methamphetamines in system, fights cops, dies of heart attack" is seen in the news, it's no big deal. Even without the Fentanyl, Floyd would not be given the benefit of the doubt. Please explain why this is different?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 09:53am)

This is such an interesting post.You've not outlined what the officers could have done.But you're blaming them for following their training regarding a person beset by Excited Delerium.

Do you always give 100% of the benefit of the doubt to the criminal, rather than the law enforcer? If so, then why are you now trying to criminalize the law enforcer for doing their job?

"Because Floyd had covid, had taken enough drugs to kill an elephant, had a heart defect, being detained when he was actively fighting cops may have led to his cardiac arrest." Okay? So? Good riddance. What is it you're attempting to convey here?

Seriously. Make a case. You're doing a poor job.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 09:49am)

No idea what that means. According to BAC calculator, I range from .4 to .7 on any given night when I drink. Is that true? Probably not.

Fentanyl is not alcohol. Fentanyl is to morphine what morphine is to Tylenol. And alcohol is to Fentanyl what cough syrup is to vodka. Let's not split hairs here.

Under normal circumstances, "Man has high doses of methamphetamines in system, fights cops, dies of heart attack" is seen in the news, it's no big deal. Even without the Fentanyl, Floyd would not be given the benefit of the doubt. Please explain why this is different?

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 1 2021 10:10am)

I feel like I'm obligated to pop in just to provide this link to your guy's discussion;

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/Exhibit112112020.pdf

That is even more detailed into rationale and analysis than either the press statement or autopsy, the latter of which just stated the facts

Quote (Santara @ Apr 1 2021 10:42am)

Just want to point out for people throwing about 11ng/ml like it means everything that my great aunt survived a BAC of 0.89%.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 1 2021 10:51am)

People are pretending he was already dead because the high dose of fentanyl in his system, when in reality he was walking and talking just fine a few minutes before, which is not what somebody who is 10 minutes away from death by overdosing does.

We don't know his tolerance, and since he was likely a routine user the fentanyl levels can't be assumed to be abnormal for him.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 1 2021 10:51am)

People are pretending he was already dead because the high dose of fentanyl in his system, when in reality he was walking and talking just fine a few minutes before, which is not what somebody who is 10 minutes away from death by overdosing does.

We don't know his tolerance, and since he was likely a routine user the fentanyl levels can't be assumed to be abnormal for him.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 1 Apr 2021 07:54)

He made his case pretty clearly. You were doing really well this morning. Try to keep that up instead of getting triggered

Quote (Surfpunk @ 1 Apr 2021 07:56)

For reference, legally drunk, for purposes of being charged with DUI/DWI, ranges on average between .08% and .10%. Santara already mentioned the .40% as being considered the baseline lethal concentration.