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Oct 27 2020 02:02pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 27 2020 02:50pm)
I get it, I've made the same arguments for years when I was derided for linking to Fox News. I'm poking the same fun at the other side now. Mother Jones is biased AF. I'm not interested in the veracity of the claim.


I mean, Fox isn't just biased. Its founding intention was to be propaganda
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Oct 27 2020 02:25pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 27 2020 08:22am)
We have a lot of people with no effective representation in Congress.

As I said, why don't we simply cede that land back to Maryland? Why make another tiny state if not specifically for the purposes of increasing Dem numbers in the Senate?

Puerto Rico deserves to be a state, DC does not.


Both Maryland, Virginia, and the citizens residing in DC do not want that and I think that's the important part. As long as the federal buildings/parks/monuments are carved out of the city states, I don't really mind. I'd prefer if they call the new state Columbia/Columbus though.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 27 2020 08:57am)
Do the other states have to sign off on the admission of a new state to the union? To the best of my knowledge, other states have no say/veto power in the process - their ratification is only necessary when amending the Constitution.


It's up to Congress. Breaking up a state requires permission from the state as well which is why we will never see land ceded from CA, NY, etc.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 27 2020 08:05am)
The 2 other in reality are solid blue for the next 30 years easily. So the balance of power in the Senate just went from 51-49 to 51-51. That's absolutely massive. And we know Republicans probably lose a few senate seats this time around so in reality its going to be something like 48-54. 2 Extra senate votes in the senate is massive.

All of these entities are represented in the house of reps fairly accurately but to me this is an attempt at a power grab in the senate, a pretty blatant one that like I said would make the senate be majority blue for a really long time.

Northern California, upstate NY, Southern Oregon, etc are also only represented by 1 branch out of the 2 tbh, despite paying high taxes, despite having electoral votes.


I think the issue is that the status quo HEAVILY favors Republicans at the moment. I'm not particularly concerned though because it usually evens out. Even with DC/PR as states, there's no reason why the GOP can't make gains in both the popular vote and Senate. If you have good stances on the issues, then you're going to win elections. I see no reason why we need to carve more states from current states though. The Senate isn't meant to represent people anyway.

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Oct 27 2020 07:22pm
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 27 2020 04:25pm)
Both Maryland, Virginia, and the citizens residing in DC do not want that and I think that's the important part. As long as the federal buildings/parks/monuments are carved out of the city states, I don't really mind. I'd prefer if they call the new state Columbia/Columbus though.



It's up to Congress. Breaking up a state requires permission from the state as well which is why we will never see land ceded from CA, NY, etc.



I think the issue is that the status quo HEAVILY favors Republicans at the moment. I'm not particularly concerned though because it usually evens out. Even with DC/PR as states, there's no reason why the GOP can't make gains in both the popular vote and Senate. If you have good stances on the issues, then you're going to win elections. I see no reason why we need to carve more states from current states though. The Senate isn't meant to represent people anyway.


Then unfortunately DC will need to do with less representation. Thankfully they can move elsewhere.

Their problems are our problems, at least those of us who have grown up in states not representative of our interests.
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Oct 27 2020 07:32pm
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Then unfortunately DC will need to do with less representation. Thankfully they can move elsewhere.

Their problems are our problems, at least those of us who have grown up in states not representative of our interests.


If we carve out a couple city blocks in DC, the population would still exceed 700k. It'd be a small state, but larger than Vermont and Wyoming. DC already has the same representation in the electoral college so is there any reason why these folks shouldn't have their own state besides partisan reasons related to the Senate?
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Oct 27 2020 08:03pm
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If we carve out a couple city blocks in DC, the population would still exceed 700k. It'd be a small state, but larger than Vermont and Wyoming. DC already has the same representation in the electoral college so is there any reason why these folks shouldn't have their own state besides partisan reasons related to the Senate?



Because they can just as easily be part of Maryland and have senators. DC is a city, no real reason outside of politics to give it some special city state preference.
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Oct 27 2020 08:26pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 27 2020 07:03pm)
Because they can just as easily be part of Maryland and have senators. DC is a city, no real reason outside of politics to give it some special city state preference.


As stated previously, Maryland doesn't WANT them and the residents of DC don't want to be part of them either. IF statehood can pass Congress, why shouldn't it become a state? If we could indefinitely guarantee that you'd have 1 Republican and 1 Democrat Senator, would this even be an issue?
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Oct 27 2020 08:39pm
Australias capital city is a territory with states rights.
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Oct 27 2020 08:44pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 27 2020 09:39pm)
Australias capital city is a territory with states rights.


Which is not America.
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Quote (thundercock @ Oct 27 2020 10:26pm)
As stated previously, Maryland doesn't WANT them and the residents of DC don't want to be part of them either. IF statehood can pass Congress, why shouldn't it become a state? If we could indefinitely guarantee that you'd have 1 Republican and 1 Democrat Senator, would this even be an issue?


Why don't they want them?

Personally I don't think a city deserves as much political power as an entire state, especially one that's so heavily populated by bureaucrats. It feels strange to essentially give government workers more government pull. It's like the opposite that happened in England with the house of lords.
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Oct 27 2020 08:48pm
Quote (Cannabist @ Oct 28 2020 01:44pm)
Which is not America.


What a revelation!, i just gave an example of a place that it has happened.
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