how would my company benefit from UBI?

edit: i argue for a UBI system funded by an automation tax. which will 100% be a cost passed on to my company by customers, slow down order, etc.

UBI off of common tax pool, sure. but what i actually call for you're 100% wrong lol.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 29 2021 09:02am

Hard to say you're free of bias when you're hitting such a blatant strawman

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 29 2021 09:08am

UBI ensures that consumption is high even when employment is low.

Its basic fucking math.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Apr 29 2021 10:13am

I disagree. UBI ensures consumption has a floor even if employment is low. It does not guarantee high consumption.

ahh yes lol because consumption in america is in peril..... LOL

in any case, my company is profit sharing, and our share is equal to about 1 paycheck. so even if my company doubles its earnings due to UBI its like maybe an extra grand per year, taxable, that trickles down to me.

yet you talk like i champion UBI because its being pressed on me or its self service. without even realizing the automation tax im calling for to fund UBI will directly hurt my companies bottom line and my profit sharing.

in any case i made more swing trading crypto in a month than my profit sharing check for a year. that profit sharing check doesnt mean shit to me lol.

kudos on stopping at basic math well before logic came into play tho

Your whole position is "yeah but". Trump wants 2,000 checks. Yeah but politics. Republicans want a 600b infrastructure bill that's not paid for. Yeah but that doesn't count cause it's necessary spending. Republicans raise spending every year regardless of who is president. Yeah but Republicans said they wanted to lower spending, words matter more than actions. Lowering the deficit and debt has always been one of the core principles of fiscal conservatism. Yeah but I can find a definition that just says lower taxes and lower spending, deficit isn't relevant.

It's been a mix of silly excuses for why Republicans raising spending still makes them fiscally conservative, combined with ignorance about what fiscal conservatism has always meant, combined with strawman arguments every post. It's weaksauce.

This post was edited by IceMage on Apr 29 2021 11:02am

Yes but what does your senior management pay you to believe?

What are their motives?

my sr management, a single guy under the title of CFO, strictly opposes UBI because he's a classic republican who thinks people should work for every cent they get paid.

you just stumbled into a really fucking dumb idea here dude. you're so far off base its comical. you think my company has some 12 person board of directors?

and the companies i do jobs for oppose UBI, because they know it will come out of an automation tax pool not general taxes, as well as closing R&D loopholes they exploit. as ive said all along.

you just got so scared of a robot uprising and a further decline of the family unit you stopped paying attention to content and started strawmanning.

The fundamental assumptions of how fiscal conservatism looks to be responsible, balanced, no deficit, whatever is based on the inputs, and there are fundamental assumptions how they should behave. Those bolded things are the outputs.

You time after time are skirting around this key point.

It's low budget +low spending = responsible outcome

You're basically turning the equation on its head and saying the inputs could be changed however we like as long as 'responsible' is the outcome when that's not true for fiscal conservatism. It's a specific way to get to the desired outcome.

high taxes + high spending = responsible outcome but that resembles communism, not fiscal conservatism

I get why you need to gravitate a neutral position of the typical college freshman "yeah man they're all the same, they're all bad all of them spend a ton of money therefore whether it's 600b or 2 trillion it doesn't matter" because you can feel safe but it's a dishonest perspective.

But anyway, like I said this conversation has run its course and has become circular and boring. You guys can chime in and hurl more insults to feel like you've 'won' honestly I don't care, we'll end up having more productive conversations in the future I'm sure.

no im not

im not saying anything that is responsible outcome = fiscal conservativism. im saying responsibility is needed for fiscal conservativism.

not all rectangles are squares.

why cant u get the distinction after 20 posts? wtf is broken in your brain lol. uve been shot down on that exact point 10 times now by 3+ users. you just sound more and more dumb the more u double down.



i told you in my first reply (go ahead, read back) i wasnt making a false equivalence.

i specifically said modern republicans aren't fiscally conservative, i never said both parties are equally irresponsible. and mentioned that without a massive tax increase which may or may not even pass, that 2T dnc spending is more irresponsible.

u said spending more is always more irresponsible, i pointed out that depends on collections, i didnt say the DNC is more responsible.


you just seem lost man, "run its course" is a fun way to describe you missing the point for several days. tbh i didnt think you were this dumb previously, this thread legit made me lower your IQ. i dont respect you anymore. now its run its course for me. you're only worth chirping at now. bye.