Quote (Malopox @ Nov 20 2023 01:36pm)
How else would you describe what just transpired here?
You dodged a very simple question that I assume is known to everyone who posts here regularly - described the demands of one of the sides of the conflict.
It occurs to me that you either do not know or choose not to know.
I am not answerable to you. If you inject yourself in by quoting me and expect me to explain an idea don't be dissapointed if I refuse.
If you insist on not doing the research yourself perhaps this will help you better understand what is the widely accepted series of events that have transpired.
"Putin’s Sept. 21 speech indicates strategic changes that were almost certainly agreed to during his discussion with China’s Xi Jinping at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit. Initially, Putin’s aims were maximalist: His “SMO” was meant to demilitarize and “denazify” Ukraine, per his Feb. 24 war speech. Russia’s goals were identical when Putin expressed them on May 9, although he was unwilling to commit to a mobilization that would stress the Russian state. Now, however, the “denazification” and demilitarization rhetoric is gone: “Novorossiya,” the Russian imperial term for Ukraine’s non-Crimean south, has returned."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3659420-putins-final-goal-in-ukraine-has-demonstrably-shifted-as-has-his-escalation-calculus/amp/If I can contrast Putins war aims to Israel it may also help.
Having vague and obfuscated goals, even going as far as to popularise an obscure word "denazify", is a way of masking any shortcomings in the end result.
The opposite would be Israels war aims.
Destroy Hamas' capacity.
Recover hostages.
Straightforward and clear. Anyone can judge the outcome against those stated objectives.
When the goal is to "denazify" an entire nation of some 40 million people, it is so vague that its extremely difficult to judge any outcome.
Perfect for optics if in fact your miltary fails in several key battles.
As for what I see happening here. You quoted me. You wanted me to explain a widely accepted fact. I refused and you didn't relent.
Your childishly writing PS in a reply and even keeping score of your self determined "wins" on a niche gaming sub forum.
There is no debate in good faith if you as long as your not able to concede any shortcomings of Russia in any aspect.
You could work on that.
Equally, don't. I really don't care. Just forgo involving me in your crusade of anti Ukrainian propaganda and childish point scoring.
I'd appreciate that.
This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Nov 20 2023 08:21am