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Nov 19 2023 11:07am
Quote (Norlander @ 19 Nov 2023 17:57)
The main problem is that both armies use the same Soviet armored vehicles. And when your visible evidence is some fresh painted Z at the rusty burnt BTR then something fundamentally is wrong.


Weird, but why painting fresh Z when you can remove it, paint a cross or whatever, and claim it was an Ukrainian one ? Seems you have one-way thinking.
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Nov 19 2023 11:29am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 19 Nov 2023 20:07)
Weird, but why painting fresh Z when you can remove it, paint a cross or whatever, and claim it was an Ukrainian one ? Seems you have one-way thinking.


I don't, I'm just showing you a pattern
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Nov 19 2023 11:31am
Now you have the full picture of your reasoning braho
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Quote (Meanwhile @ 19 Nov 2023 20:31)
Now you have the full picture of your reasoning braho


Use it
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Quote (Norlander @ 19 Nov 2023 18:32)
Use it


Yeah, you are claiming Oryx is falsifying its data
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine/master/Plots/current_ifv.jpg

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Quote (Meanwhile @ 19 Nov 2023 20:45)


If your data is gathered this way it doesn't mean you falsify it or not, you just gather it as is and get the result. It will take years if not decades to analyze this conflict. Now we are stuck between 1942-1943 propaganda of both sides. Support your local team.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Nov 19 2023 07:10am)
Feintception.

I can't imagine the shame of believing your army is the second strongest on the planet, then the poorest country in Europe halts your advance and denies all of your own stated war aims.
Then you remember that country is led by a comedian.

How DOES that feel comrade?


I mean the USA was chased out of Vietnam by rice farmers with bamboo sticks, it's not like this means anything, Russia could absolutely reduce Ukraine to dust and ashes in a month if they truly wanted to, its a matter of how much force they wish to commit

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I mean the USA was chased out of Vietnam by rice farmers with bamboo sticks, it's not like this means anything, Russia could absolutely reduce Ukraine to dust and ashes in a month if they truly wanted to, its a matter of how much force they wish to commit


Imho it's just a very wrong comparison: first it's like 60 years ago without drones and precise weapons, missiles etc...
Second you could make it right if Vietnam was as much advanced as US (minus nuclear weapons), and if it was sharing borders with US, But it's not so try to find another example.

Btw there are none, Ukraine is a special case of a failure "special operation" and the future mostly depends of western military assistance/support.
It's pretty clear that now Ukraine will never return to Russia, it may concede some territories, unlikely atm.

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I mean the USA was chased out of Vietnam by rice farmers with bamboo sticks, it's not like this means anything, Russia could absolutely reduce Ukraine to dust and ashes in a month if they truly wanted to, its a matter of how much force they wish to commit


No, they can't.

Conventionally anyway.

That is why it is still going on almost 2 years later

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No, they can't.

Conventionally anyway.

That is why it is still going on almost 2 years later


They absolutely can

USA was in Vietnam for years, and that doesn't mean they lacked the ability to lay waste to the country, they didn't because it would have drastically escalated the cold war, much the same as if Russia decided to lay waste to Ukraine
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