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Apr 8 2022 05:39am
I apologise. I'm not a native speaker. I meant lattice fins on the missile, these probably don't look like a grill at all.

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Apr 8 2022 05:56am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 8 Apr 2022 14:34)
i am still listening to the segment. Will reply u with some interesting comments from the Taiwan media in a whiles time.
I will give a summary later.
Has to do with Russia and Ukraine.


I personally think that Taiwan is the China we are missing. The only and the true one.
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Apr 8 2022 06:18am
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I personally think that Taiwan is the China we are missing. The only and the true one.


Look its very hard to say...
If the current government in Mainland China is the Taiwanese government. The situation will still be the same.
And the situation in Taiwan with Mainland is a lot more complicated as compared to the one with Russia and Ukraine.
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Apr 8 2022 06:27am
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Look its very hard to say...
If the current government in Mainland China is the Taiwanese government. The situation will still be the same.
And the situation in Taiwan with Mainland is a lot more complicated as compared to the one with Russia and Ukraine.


It's more like Russia within Russia. The true one not that imperialistic USRR wannabe adopted and eventually lost It's legacy. Hell, that's a higher level of cleptocracy to steal whole country's pride and history and stomp it into the ground.

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Apr 8 2022 06:37am
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thats normal to be honest.


So this is a short summary from the Taiwan media in regards to India's stance.

"Indian has been a traditional business partner and ally of Russia. Russia have been selling weapons to Indian for quite some time.
Also please remember during Soviet Afghan war India and East Germany were the only countries that supported USSR both politically and militarily.
While the USA, China ( Not surprised ), UK, West Germany, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan supported the Mujahideen
Both India and Russia relationship goes way back.

When there were problems between India and China, conflicts and skirmishes. Russia have always stood by India's side. In recent border conflicts with China, The USA have never said anything on the world stage to help India.
The USA have been trying to woo India to their side for quite sometime and invited them to join "QUAD"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilateral_Security_Dialogue (You can check it out here )

Quad is also a coalition of countries in the Indo Pacific region dialogue created to contain China one way or another.

But currently the Indian government is not making much noise via their official mouth piece, but they have allowed their media and intellectuals to speak alot on this Ukraine / Russia issue.
Indian media and intellectuals are saying this. " The tragedy that is happening now, is solely the mishandling of Nato and USA "
Indian government do not want to choose sides because they have close relationships with USA and Russia.

However, in recent months the USA have been trying to coerce India with threats , sanctions and sending warships to the Indian ocean region.
USA have one ultimatum, either you are with us or you are not and we are going to treat you like China.

This have created alot of worry towards the Indian government. They felt the USA is egging them in the region to counter China on their behalf, because Indians and Chinese do not have a cosy relationship.
But now because the Indians do not want to take sides and refuse to "condem " and sanction Russia, the USA are threatening them with possible sanctions.

Some Indian media and intellectuals are now saying that , it seems the Chinese are a little more tolerable because the Americans are forcing the Indians to bend towards them on the world stage. "

This roughly what the Taiwanese media are reporting.
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Quote (Norlander @ 8 Apr 2022 20:27)
It's more like Russia within Russia. The true one not that imperialistic USRR wannabe adopted and eventually lost It's legacy. Hell, that's a higher level of cleptocracy to steal whole country's pride and history and stomp it into the ground.


Dude, the KMT government is extremely imperialistic.
The reason why you think Taiwan seems a little nice now, is because they need the West to contain China. They will play along and be nicey nicey because they have a common enemy.
If the Taiwanese government are the one controlling China, with all the Tech and all the Resources, you will say otherwise. They will not bow to the West.

But this is just my personal opinion, I stay around the region and as a ethnic Singaporean Chinese, with those pre program Chinese Culture that I still have some within me. I know that the Taiwanese government will be completely different if they are not where they are now.
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So this is a short summary from the Taiwan media in regards to India's stance.

"Indian has been a traditional business partner and ally of Russia. Russia have been selling weapons to Indian for quite some time.
Also please remember during Soviet Afghan war India and East Germany were the only countries that supported USSR both politically and militarily.
While the USA, China ( Not surprised ), UK, West Germany, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan supported the Mujahideen
Both India and Russia relationship goes way back.

When there were problems between India and China, conflicts and skirmishes. Russia have always stood by India's side. In recent border conflicts with China, The USA have never said anything on the world stage to help India.
The USA have been trying to woo India to their side for quite sometime and invited them to join "QUAD"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilateral_Security_Dialogue (You can check it out here )

Quad is also a coalition of countries in the Indo Pacific region dialogue created to contain China one way or another.

But currently the Indian government is not making much noise via their official mouth piece, but they have allowed their media and intellectuals to speak alot on this Ukraine / Russia issue.
Indian media and intellectuals are saying this. " The tragedy that is happening now, is solely the mishandling of Nato and USA "
Indian government do not want to choose sides because they have close relationships with USA and Russia.

However, in recent months the USA have been trying to coerce India with threats , sanctions and sending warships to the Indian ocean region.
USA have one ultimatum, either you are with us or you are not and we are going to treat you like China.

This have created alot of worry towards the Indian government. They felt the USA is egging them in the region to counter China on their behalf, because Indians and Chinese do not have a cosy relationship.
But now because the Indians do not want to take sides and refuse to "condem " and sanction Russia, the USA are threatening them with possible sanctions.

Some Indian media and intellectuals are now saying that , it seems the Chinese are a little more tolerable because the Americans are forcing the Indians to bend towards them on the world stage. "

This roughly what the Taiwanese media are reporting.


broadly this is not new news but rather a reflection of existing american foreign policy. looks pretty straight forward and I dont see anyone arguing with this narrative ?

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So this is a short summary from the Taiwan media in regards to India's stance.

"Indian has been a traditional business partner and ally of Russia. Russia have been selling weapons to Indian for quite some time.
Also please remember during Soviet Afghan war India and East Germany were the only countries that supported USSR both politically and militarily.
While the USA, China ( Not surprised ), UK, West Germany, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan supported the Mujahideen
Both India and Russia relationship goes way back.

When there were problems between India and China, conflicts and skirmishes. Russia have always stood by India's side. In recent border conflicts with China, The USA have never said anything on the world stage to help India.
The USA have been trying to woo India to their side for quite sometime and invited them to join "QUAD"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilateral_Security_Dialogue (You can check it out here )

Quad is also a coalition of countries in the Indo Pacific region dialogue created to contain China one way or another.

But currently the Indian government is not making much noise via their official mouth piece, but they have allowed their media and intellectuals to speak alot on this Ukraine / Russia issue.
Indian media and intellectuals are saying this. " The tragedy that is happening now, is solely the mishandling of Nato and USA "
Indian government do not want to choose sides because they have close relationships with USA and Russia.

However, in recent months the USA have been trying to coerce India with threats , sanctions and sending warships to the Indian ocean region.
USA have one ultimatum, either you are with us or you are not and we are going to treat you like China.

This have created alot of worry towards the Indian government. They felt the USA is egging them in the region to counter China on their behalf, because Indians and Chinese do not have a cosy relationship.
But now because the Indians do not want to take sides and refuse to "condem " and sanction Russia, the USA are threatening them with possible sanctions.

Some Indian media and intellectuals are now saying that , it seems the Chinese are a little more tolerable because the Americans are forcing the Indians to bend towards them on the world stage. "

This roughly what the Taiwanese media are reporting.


Reasonable analysis for the most part. It's interesting to see how outsiders with no stake in the game view the situation.
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Apr 8 2022 06:46am
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Reasonable analysis for the most part. It's interesting to see how outsiders with no stake in the game view the situation.


im sure someone somewhere will deem it unreasonable analysis, but that does not mean that it is unreasonable.
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Apr 8 2022 06:50am
Quote (ferdia @ 8 Apr 2022 20:43)
broadly this is not new news but rather a reflection of existing american foreign policy. looks pretty straight forward and I dont see anyone arguing with this narrative ?


I jsut got up to date with these issues only recently this month because I am more concern about East Asia due to my work and business interest which is more towards South East Asia, China, Hong Kong and Taiwan.
I am trying to understand more day by day.
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