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Nov 14 2023 03:02am
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 14 2023 10:53am)
Ye and For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Do they all sit in a room together ? not sure where you are going with this argument...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

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The conflict in Ukraine related to Ukraine's aspirations (after the 2014 US Backed Coup in Kyiv) breaking away from Russia and joining Nato (accepted, after decades of Russian oppression). Ukraine then proceeded to Bomb ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine, for 7 years, quite similar to how Israel is bombing Palestinians (read: ethnic Turks/other). Russia said stop, kind of similar to how Turkey said stop to Israel, Ukraine refused and doubled down, and then Russia invaded. Hopefully Uncle Sam will not abandon Israel the way it will abandon Ukraine. All indicators suggest it wont, but then we have a different problem - if regional powers give Israel an Ultimatum, which we all know Israel will not comply with ("kill them all, they are less then animals") we could credibly see a huge war breaking out.


Examining the statistics reveals a de-escalation of the Donbass conflict, with over 90% of civilian casualties attributed to the lingering effects of war, such as booby traps left behind. There was no large-scale Ukrainian assault on Donbass or Russia that could have triggered the response. This is why Russia is running around with a naked ass, attempting to find any semblance of justification for their actions.

You should be aware that the article you've shared is a politically motivated piece criticizing Netanyahu, and it comes from individuals who hold even more right-wing views than he does.


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Nov 14 2023 03:44am
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Examining the statistics reveals a de-escalation of the Donbass conflict, with over 90% of civilian casualties attributed to the lingering effects of war, such as booby traps left behind. There was no large-scale Ukrainian assault on Donbass or Russia that could have triggered the response. This is why Russia is running around with a naked ass, attempting to find any semblance of justification for their actions.

You should be aware that the article you've shared is a politically motivated piece criticizing Netanyahu, and it comes from individuals who hold even more right-wing views than he does.


Right before the Russian invasion there was an escalation, as referenced in a UN inspection at the time. Understand the UN was not and is not Pro-Russian, they were simply calling a spade a spade. There was an assault on Donbass which in combination with Biden making the idiotic statement that the US would not send troops, effectively gave Russia a green light to invade (not that they wanted to invade). The UN report relating to the inspection was posted in this topic well over a year ago but as with all things I am sure it is buried somewhere in the nether now noting its inconvenient to reference it.

I was not aware of the facts you outlined relating to the source i provided however it is widely known (as hard as this is for other people to understand) that Netanyahu is a moderate compared to those in his party. however he IS the leader of Israel and therefore all responsibility, funding hamas, bombing gaza into the stone age, killing 1000's of people, alienating all the countries around him against Israel through his policies and actions, is squarely at his doorstep. I guess in wartime leaders get a hall pass.

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Right before the Russian invasion there was an escalation, as referenced in a UN inspection at the time. Understand the UN was not and is not Pro-Russian, they were simply calling a spade a spade. There was an assault on Donbass which in combination with Biden making the idiotic statement that the US would not send troops, effectively gave Russia a green light to invade (not that they wanted to invade). The UN report relating to the inspection was posted in this topic well over a year ago but as with all things I am sure it is buried somewhere in the nether now noting its inconvenient to reference it.

I was not aware of the facts you outlined relating to the source i provided however it is widely known (as hard as this is for other people to understand) that Netanyahu is a moderate compared to those in his party. however he IS the leader of Israel and therefore all responsibility, funding hamas, bombing gaza into the stone age, killing 1000's of people, is squarely at his doorstep.


Do you believe that Ukraine, with few Javelins provided under the condition of defensive use only, was about to orchestrate a bold offensive in Donbass, where over 50,000 Russian mercenaries were stationed right on the doorstep of Russia? But Russia seemingly outsmarted the Ukrainians just in the nick of time to prevent genocide? Are you engaging in a spin on an alternate reality with this narrative?

Perhaps the surge was instigated by the Russian mercenaries, as acknowledged publicly by Putin, whom he admitted to sending and supplying there.
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Nov 14 2023 07:33am
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Do you believe that Ukraine, with few Javelins provided under the condition of defensive use only, was about to orchestrate a bold offensive in Donbass, where over 50,000 Russian mercenaries were stationed right on the doorstep of Russia? But Russia seemingly outsmarted the Ukrainians just in the nick of time to prevent genocide? Are you engaging in a spin on an alternate reality with this narrative?

Perhaps the surge was instigated by the Russian mercenaries, as acknowledged publicly by Putin, whom he admitted to sending and supplying there.


Ukraine is an ex-soviet state and had ample leftover weapons. Tanks, artillery, ammo, etc. They were sieging Donetsk for years. Maybe it wasn't to the same extent or intensity as an actual full out war but that's the reality of it.
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Nov 14 2023 07:41am
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Ukraine is an ex-soviet state and had ample leftover weapons. Tanks, artillery, ammo, etc. They were sieging Donetsk for years. Maybe it wasn't to the same extent or intensity as an actual full out war but that's the reality of it.


Did Chinese/Russian/Hamas/Assad media you diversify with tell you that xD?
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Do you believe that Ukraine, with few Javelins provided under the condition of defensive use only, was about to orchestrate a bold offensive in Donbass, where over 50,000 Russian mercenaries were stationed right on the doorstep of Russia? But Russia seemingly outsmarted the Ukrainians just in the nick of time to prevent genocide? Are you engaging in a spin on an alternate reality with this narrative?

Perhaps the surge was instigated by the Russian mercenaries, as acknowledged publicly by Putin, whom he admitted to sending and supplying there.


can we assume these are the first of your 100 questions? i will work on this assumption.

asnwer to your questions, no, no and no.

thats 3/100

Quote (MichaelSwors @ Nov 14 2023 01:41pm)
Did Chinese/Russian/Hamas/Assad media you diversify with tell you that xD?


I am pretty sure western media reported this (4/100), certainly the UN report was not written by, "Chinese/Russian/Hamas/Assad media".

can this count as 4/100 ?

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Nov 14 2023 08:09am
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can we assume these are the first of your 100 questions? i will work on this assumption.

asnwer to your questions, no, no and no.

thats 3/100



I am pretty sure western media reported this (4/100), certainly the UN report was not written by, "Chinese/Russian/Hamas/Assad media".

can this count as 4/100 ?


It's strange how you crafted a story suggesting that a significant event was imminent in Ukraine, with the implication that Russia needed to intervene to prevent it, only to leave me in suspense without resolution.
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Nov 14 2023 08:13am
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It's strange how you crafted a story suggesting that a significant event was imminent in Ukraine, with the implication that Russia needed to intervene to prevent it, only to leave me in suspense without resolution.


Its not strange that you make assumptions, refuse to answer questions and take giant leaps of imagination. I mean, alot of people do this i guess? I will say it again:

a significant event was not imminent, rather, an increase in the shelling of Eastern Ukraine had occurred, Russia protested and everyone ignored Russia. The UN report agreed that the shelling had intensified. If you want to disprove these facts, provide a source of evidence. thanks. It is lazy to jump into this topic now in 2023, when we have all had these conversations in this topic since Jan of last years 2022. Go read back over the topic and inform yourself thanks.

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Nov 14 2023 08:20am
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Its not strange that you make assumptions, refuse to answer questions and take giant leaps of imagination. I will say it again:

a significant event was not imminent, rather, an increase in the shelling of Eastern Ukraine had occurred, Russia protested and everyone ignored Russia. The UN report agreed that the shelling had intensified. If you want to disprove these facts, provide a source of evidence. thanks.


Was there not a significant event on the verge of happening that warranted Russia escalating a fading conflict, leading to tens of thousands of avoidable casualties?

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Nov 14 2023 08:23am
Quote (MichaelSwors @ Nov 14 2023 02:20pm)
Was there not a significant event on the verge of happening that warranted Russia escalating a fading conflict, leading to tens of thousands of avoidable casualties?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfotvuv0-VQ


are you an idiot? this is a serious question.

Read post #1.

thanks.
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