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Feb 19 2019 06:58pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 19 2019 05:39pm)
Lol... this is hilarious. Comparing the Russia investigation with mostly nothingburgers like Benghazi?

Russiagate has already produced 37 indictments, including 25 Russians for interfering in our election. Trump's campaign chairman is sitting in a jail cell right now, and could be for life. His former National Security Adviser is awaiting sentencing, and his personal lawyer is about to go to jail for a few years.

This really shows you how low of a standard Trump is held to and how high the expectations of the Mueller investigation are. Cultists think if Trump's not proven in court to be a traitor to his country, the investigation was a nothingburger. What a strange world you guys live in.


Wait a second... Your claim is that an event where 4 Americans died, AT LEAST 2 of them preventable, and 36 more WOULD have died, also preventable, had the state department authorized the pentagon to act, rather than playing politics, or even just given valid Embassy security... Were it not for the intervention of Kaddafi loyalists (wait, weren't they the enemy?), is a nothingburger?

Do you realize the state department EXISTS specifically to insure the safety of Americans in foreign nations? That is it's primary function. And 25 Russians indicted for what? They had nothing to do with Trump. And they'll never be convicted. They're in Russia. What right does the US have to charge foreign nationals with crimes in the first place, especially the ones who've never set foot on American soil? And yet again, any Americans involved have all been charged with either purgery, tax evasion, or other, completely non-national security related crimes. If they committed the crimes? Good! Let them rot. I don't care.

How does ANY of that relate back to Trump? Obama Authorized the Fast and Furious operation. Many of those guns have been used to MURDER Americans since that time. Hillary Clinton FAILED to authorize Pentagon intervention in Benghazi, causing the deaths of at least 2 Americans, and possibly all 4, because she was too busy playing politics to fulfill her primary role as secretary of state. Clinton purjured himself before Congress, verifiably, which is a fucking felony, and yet was never convicted. The only penalty he paid was to be disbarred in Arkansas and for any case in front of the Supreme Court. Wait though! The same level of perjury is about to land several Americans in jail...

Do you see how you are one-sided? I don't care if they go to jail. I kind of hope they do. But on the other side of the aisle, they don't pay, even for the same crime.

And yet, at the same time: What does any of this have to do with Trump? Is the contention that there were corrupt people in his campaign? Shall we talk the Hillary Campaign? I mean come on dude.
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Feb 19 2019 07:04pm
dang we haven't had a Benghazi poster in quite some time
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Feb 19 2019 07:08pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 19 2019 06:04pm)
dang we haven't had a Benghazi poster in quite some time


Chris Stevens
Sean Smith
Glen Doherty
Tyrone Woods

The moment your fallen become of no importance is the moment you know you are every bit as corrupt as those whose negligence sentenced them to death. :)
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 19 2019 06:08pm)
Chris Stevens
Sean Smith
Glen Doherty
Tyrone Woods

The moment your fallen become of no importance is the moment you know you are every bit as corrupt as those whose negligence sentenced them to death. :)


Being a false equivalency or being irrelevant to the conversation doesn't mean their lives, service and sacrifice are not of importance

that's a right wing tactic you have there mr both sides are bad while ranting about uranium one, democrats with the kkk, obamas view on gay marriage, benghazi, etc etc

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Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 19 2019 06:14pm)
Being a false equivalency or being irrelevant to the conversation doesn't mean their lives, service and sacrifice are not of importance

that's a right wing tactic you have there mr both sides are bad while ranting about uranium one, democrats with the kkk, obamas view on gay marriage, benghazi, etc etc


Funny to see you here again! I thought you'd be tired by now. So, let's go through it, shall we:

Indictments Regarding "RussiaGate"

A bunch of who cares against foreign nationals who will never set foot in court because our courts have no authority over them.
A bunch of indictments against people who perjured themselves because they're too stupid to only speak through lawyers.
A guy guilty of tax evasion.

Subject matters this is more important than

1. More than 200 killed (including over a dozen Americans) by Fast and Furious gunwalked weapons.
2. 4 Americans killed on foreign soil due to failure to authorize the Pentagon to act by Clinton's State department. Note that would have been 40 total if Kaddafi loyalists hadn't bugged 36 out. Supposedly, those loyalists were "the enemy" according to Clinton.
3. An American President committing a federal felony by perjuring himself in front of Congress, then getting off without any federal conviction.
4. Classified government data being sent to a personally owned, unsecured private server. All forensic evidence guarantees all information was stolen by foreign nations. All persons involved provided immunity, no charges allowed.

Now, here's the real question: I've already stated that those involved in the Trump campaign who committed criminal acts, even if their act was only to misremember something to the FBI, be convicted and rot. I don't care. Terminal stupidity is as good of an excuse to go to jail as any, in this day and age. Can you explain to me how their offenses are more severe than the offenses on the other side, NONE of which resulted in ANY convictions. Two of which resulted in actual loss of life, the fourth also possibly resulted in loss of life, though the analysts still aren't clear, as they don't yet know all the classified data which was lost?

We could also talk about the sabotage of the Bernie campaign, but I'm seriously tired of trying to compare crimes. Murder is the #1 worst crime. And you're claiming "they're both bad" yet only one has taken or failed to take action that has resulted in murders. Over 204, if you want to get technical.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 19 2019 07:58pm)
Wait a second... Your claim is that an event where 4 Americans died, AT LEAST 2 of them preventable, and 36 more WOULD have died, also preventable, had the state department authorized the pentagon to act, rather than playing politics, or even just given valid Embassy security... Were it not for the intervention of Kaddafi loyalists (wait, weren't they the enemy?), is a nothingburger?

Do you realize the state department EXISTS specifically to insure the safety of Americans in foreign nations? That is it's primary function. And 25 Russians indicted for what? They had nothing to do with Trump. And they'll never be convicted. They're in Russia. What right does the US have to charge foreign nationals with crimes in the first place, especially the ones who've never set foot on American soil? And yet again, any Americans involved have all been charged with either purgery, tax evasion, or other, completely non-national security related crimes. If they committed the crimes? Good! Let them rot. I don't care.

How does ANY of that relate back to Trump? Obama Authorized the Fast and Furious operation. Many of those guns have been used to MURDER Americans since that time. Hillary Clinton FAILED to authorize Pentagon intervention in Benghazi, causing the deaths of at least 2 Americans, and possibly all 4, because she was too busy playing politics to fulfill her primary role as secretary of state. Clinton purjured himself before Congress, verifiably, which is a fucking felony, and yet was never convicted. The only penalty he paid was to be disbarred in Arkansas and for any case in front of the Supreme Court. Wait though! The same level of perjury is about to land several Americans in jail...

Do you see how you are one-sided? I don't care if they go to jail. I kind of hope they do. But on the other side of the aisle, they don't pay, even for the same crime.

And yet, at the same time: What does any of this have to do with Trump? Is the contention that there were corrupt people in his campaign? Shall we talk the Hillary Campaign? I mean come on dude.


Benghazi was typical government incompetence... they didn't secure the facility enough and they didn't have a military Quick Reaction Force that could respond in a timely manner. There was no criminal activity uncovered, no indictments. It was a necessary investigation at the beginning, and then turned into a political one that focused on how the sausage was made in the aftermath of the attack when government actors had incomplete information.

Fast and Furious was a nothingburger as well. Law enforcement uses these sort of techniques all the time, and sometimes there's collateral damage. Big whoop. Bill Clinton lied about an affair with an intern to federal investigators, and was impeached over it.

Russian interference in our elections is much more important than all of that. And part of that Russian interference looks to include several attempts to compromise Trump campaign members. So if the campaign members didn't engage in a conspiracy with Russians, good for them, but it's very important to find out if they did. And while Mueller is at it, he's paying for his own investigation by confiscating millions of dollars from Trump's criminal campaign chairman. Mueller is the only guy in Washington who is actually draining the swamp. :thumbsup:
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Feb 20 2019 07:49am
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Mueller is the only guy in Washington who is actually draining the swamp. :thumbsup:


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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 19 2019 05:55pm)
Creative. Evidence for this claim? Oops. There is none. As I claimed to speak for nobody but myself. I'd say nice try, but you can't even stay on topic, let alone make a salient point.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536

It's a funny thing. If a Democrat speaks to a Russian, it's Diplomacy. If a Republican speaks to a Russian, it's either conspiracy, treason, or collusion.

Odd to think that Russia isn't actually our enemy, and as of this moment, isn't even a viable economic competitor. Yet all this fuss, and so much spent, to try to prove... What, exactly?


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It's going to be a fun journey with you.
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