no update really until spring. Ukraine has longer range missiles, are getting an unknown quantity of F16's and thats basically it for now. no change in positions. I guess in a month or two we will hear about what both sides have planned for next year (probably not good for anyone).



pretty much sums it up. 4+ years and more.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 6 2023 08:26am

Afghanistan 2.0 or Syria's Kurds 2.0 when they'll suddenly pull out because of "no alternatives"?

Afghanistan 3.0, but otherwise seems this way.

This is an existential conflict for Russia and Ukraine so both are fighting because alternative is collapse of the state itself.

For US this is just another proxy war to weaken a strategic rival. Once the goal is achieved or abandoned - proxy is abandoned too to fend for itself.

I think there's some real cracks in the war effort. The fact twice now in the US the funding for Ukraine fell through in the span of a few months is a big deal and an indication of the diminished appetite to write blank checks. First it was the sneaking in of Ukraine funding into temp funding bill that at least in part had something to do with McCarthy losing his job, then trying to attach a 60+Bn bundled with Israel that republicans said no to.

This is both due to tightening financial conditions in the US but I think the more important factors are, in the west I think there's many that think the resources are mismanaged. Corruption is rampant in Ukraine with a lot of 'leakage' and the fact that 100+Bn yielded very minimal gains. So what will change with another 60, 100, 200 billion? How long is the commitment for? What are the ultimate goals and are they realistic? How does this actually benefit the US? There's a lot of tough questions, particularly more emphasized approaching a general election.

There's other important factors like the average age of an Ukrainian soldier today is now in the 40s, with the trained units being heavily degraded and now having to rely on older and less optimal recruits. I just don't know how Ukraine can sustain this war with the current rate of losses. The country today is around ~28 million people, with many that could have been drafted, already drafted. Peace has to come, before the country is left with a bunch of women, kids and old men.

Many at the start of the war were saying that Putin wants to erase Ukraine as a country. The reality is, that could become reality, not because Russia wins the war, but because Ukraine and the west insists on fighting without compromise, to the point the country is so bled and so many have left that it will be extremely difficult to recover post-war.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 6 2023 09:42am

Link the articles?



This is a limited special miltary operation sir

+ Explosion in Mariupol (supposely an ammunition depot ?)



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Nov 6 2023 11:57am

Allegedly Russian corvette gets booped by Scalp missiles while in dock at Kerch, south east Crimea.

even the most hardened propagandists beginning to crack

before and after pic

I guess Russia has accomplished its 10 day special military operation then?

Prox1m1ty is just upset they aren't bombing more kids, that is how a proper military fights a war