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Jul 9 2021 12:03pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 9 2021 12:57pm)
i disagree its a wildly new approach. it seems insane, read what i posted prior to this


wild, yes, new, yes, an approach aka an attempt at the same thing in a new way, yes.

mRNA vaccines = vaccines. you can say mRNA vaccines =/= safe vaccines, that makes sense linguistically, but u cant say an mRNA vaccine =/= a vaccine, its nonsensical.
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Jul 9 2021 12:06pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 9 2021 11:03am)
wild, yes, new, yes, an approach aka an attempt at the same thing in a new way, yes.

mRNA vaccines = vaccines. you can say mRNA vaccines =/= safe vaccines, that makes sense linguistically, but u cant say an mRNA vaccine =/= a vaccine, its nonsensical.


you call it what ever you want. you can even call the "experimental" stuff safe if thats what your told.

why dont you tell me how the animal trials ended

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Jul 9 2021 12:06pm
If you consider ford cars to be shit and unsafe, that's fine.
But don't say its not a car

Idk why is this guy so hard to talk to lmao

On a sidenote
Pfizer that made 26billion in 2021 so far, suggests 3rd dose for everyone that has 2 doses at the moment.
:lol:
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Jul 9 2021 12:09pm
Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Jul 9 2021 11:06am)
If you consider ford cars to be shit and unsafe, that's fine.
But don't say its not a car

Idk why is this guy so hard to talk to lmao

On a sidenote
Pfizer that made 26billion in 2021 so far, suggests 3rd dose for everyone that has 2 doses at the moment.
:lol:


bill gates has 20 billion invested in the game. his own words he expects a 200 billion return
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Jul 9 2021 12:17pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 9 2021 12:53pm)
i would say none of that is insane like inserting foreign mRNA into your cells.
and why not just do what your talking about? doesnt it seem alot of hassle to construct a technique to sneak past the immune system to get foreign material into cells when we can just do it like you just explained? sounds like mad scientist stuff............................bill gates


A few reasons.

Number one is the mrna injection method is more akin to how your body sees a virus. It sees the proteins after your cells have started producing the foreign protein. This indicates an infection and starts a massive cascade of signals to produce a response.

If your body only sees a foreign protein it is going to be swallowed up by your innate immune system which won't create as strong of an immune response. This is why they are conjugated to those immune response boosting molecules. Without them the protein injection method isn't nearly as reliable.

Additionally, with each protein you want to inject you basically have to start from scratch every time. The mrna sequence can be changed easily whoch means you can change the targets without as much work on safety needing to be done. The protein is kept inside your cells that made it and cleaned up by your body after a short amount of time, so its far safer than a systemic injection of foreign protein.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 9 2021 11:17am)
A few reasons.

Number one is the mrna injection method is more akin to how your body sees a virus. It sees the proteins after your cells have started producing the foreign protein. This indicates an infection and starts a massive cascade of signals to produce a response.

If your body only sees a foreign protein it is going to be swallowed up by your innate immune system which won't create as strong of an immune response. This is why they are conjugated to those immune response boosting molecules. Without them they're not nearly as reliable.

Additionally, with each protein you want to inject you basically have to start from scratch every time. The mrna sequence can be changed easily whoch means you can change the targets without as much work on safety needing to be done. The protein is kept inside your cells that made it and cleaned up by your body after a short amount of time, so its far safer than a systemic injection of foreign protein.



craig ventor. a actual scientist working in a laboratory. check out his works its interesting. if he can construct DNA strands then why not construct proteins inject that instead of encapsulating mRNA in nano lipids? seems like a long way around and the people be hind it being nefarious.
do you ever have even the slightest glimmer that some things just dont add up?
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bill gates has 20 billion invested in the game. his own words he expects a 200 billion return


alright.
and he's #1 land owner in states and his land is used for potatoes only, as he's #1 supplier for McDonalds potatoes.
he's a geek that made microsoft and suddenly people think he understands medicine better than anyone.
and he wanted to darken the sun, and in the eyes of vast majority of public he's not really the best guy around.

we know, it's all old news.
but mRNA vaccine is still a vaccine.
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Jul 9 2021 12:28pm
Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Jul 9 2021 11:26am)
alright.
and he's #1 land owner in states and his land is used for potatoes only, as he's #1 supplier for McDonalds potatoes.
he's a geek that made microsoft and suddenly people think he understands medicine better than anyone.
and he wanted to darken the sun, and in the eyes of vast majority of public he's not really the best guy around.

we know, it's all old news.
but mRNA vaccine is still a vaccine.


hes also a big depopulation guy but all that has changed right? ya its a vaccine
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Jul 9 2021 12:30pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 9 2021 01:26pm)
craig ventor. a actual scientist working in a laboratory. check out his works its interesting. if he can construct DNA strands then why not construct proteins inject that instead of encapsulating mRNA in nano lipids? seems like a long way around and the people be hind it being nefarious.
do you ever have even the slightest glimmer that some things just dont add up?


We can make proteins and inject them. That's the basis for pretty much all new vaccines in the past 40 years. They have drawbacks that we hope will be fixed with the mRNA method, as I already explained.


The first reason is that proteins don't get into your cells, so they are eaten by your innate immune system and are less likely to pass to your adaptive immune system for antibody production.

The second reason is that mRNA vaccines are more modular, so you can just change the mRNA sequence to create a new vacine that needs far less safety trials in the future.

The third reason is you don't have to conjugate it to extra molecules to induce a strong immune response, which adds steps.
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Jul 9 2021 12:32pm
Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Jul 9 2021 02:06pm)
If you consider ford cars to be shit and unsafe, that's fine.
But don't say its not a car

Idk why is this guy so hard to talk to lmao

On a sidenote
Pfizer that made 26billion in 2021 so far, suggests 3rd dose for everyone that has 2 doses at the moment.
:lol:


I will get it with my flu shot. I take a shot for the flu every year.
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