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Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 23 2023 03:03pm)
It's always one sided, with an underlying continual thread focused on highlighting Russian MOD failures and/or general deterioration while omitting or rarely talking about Ukraine which are just as bad if not worse.

It's propaganda designed to induce a feeling that they are losing. Pretty much all of the ISW/UK MOD whatever other 'official' western intelligence sources you find online try to do this.


Again, its a moot point.

It was inferred that the MOD estimated 300k dead Russians, just waiting for Malopox to provide a source for that.
The last estimate I can find is from February 2023 that suggested 50,000 kia for Russia.
Doesn't seem reasonable they would increase that estimate to 300k in 8 months.
Unless 300k is an estimate of total casualties.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 23 2023 08:08am
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Seems legit :rofl:
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Np

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Quote (vladik125rus @ Jan 25 2022 01:37pm)
That's all, American propaganda, there is no invasion and there won't be.


Looks like you got pwned here XD
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Well, no disputing those numbers!
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They just all regurgitate the same unsubstantiated figures and it's like a roundabout when you're looking at their sources.

UK MOD
Leaked defense documents
Armed forces of Ukraine
Kiyv Independent
"Anonymous intelligence sources"
ISW

...and on and on, like a carousel.

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Entirely plausible. Did you even read where it says killed or permanently wounded?

For reference, the Russian MOD allegedly claimed a KIA ratio of 10:1
"In September 2022, Russia's Ministry of Defence confirmed that 5,937 Russian soldiers had been killed in combat. It also claimed 61,207 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed and 49,368 wounded by this point."

We will never get an accurate figure during the war. Even after I doubt that Russian or Ukrainian MOD's would publish accurate figures of their own losses.

What is certain is the losses are very high for a modern conflict and only likely to increase.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 23 2023 03:18pm)
They just all regurgitate the same unsubstantiated figures and it's like a roundabout when you looking at their sources.

UK MOD
Leaked defense documents
Armed forces of Ukraine
Kiyv Independent
"Anonymous intelligence sources"

...and on and on, like a carousel.


What is your best estimate for Russian losses?


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Well, no disputing those numbers!


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Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 23 2023 11:18am)
They just all regurgitate the same unsubstantiated figures and it's like a roundabout when you looking at their sources.

UK MOD
Leaked defense documents
Armed forces of Ukraine
Kiyv Independent
"Anonymous intelligence sources"

...and on and on, like a carousel.


My favorite are the OSINT guys, they say some of the wildest stuff

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Oct 23 2023 11:18am)
Entirely plausible. Did you even read where it says killed or permanently wounded?

For reference, the Russian MOD allegedly claimed a KIA ratio of 10:1
"In September 2022, Russia's Ministry of Defence confirmed that 5,937 Russian soldiers had been killed in combat. It also claimed 61,207 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed and 49,368 wounded by this point."

We will never get an accurate figure during the war. Even after I doubt that Russian or Ukrainian MOD's would publish accurate figures of their own losses.

What is certain is the losses are very high for a modern conflict and only likely to increase.


What you deem plausible doesn't mean much to me

Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 23 2023 11:19am)

Utkin still alive!


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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 23 2023 03:22pm)
My favorite are the OSINT guys, they say some of the wildest stuff



What you deem plausible doesn't mean much to me


Utkin still alive!
https://i.imgur.com/ImdVyRU.jpg


Don't take it from me! :thumbsup:

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(Hamsterbaby @ May 18 2023 03:19pm)
half a million Young Russians for half of Ukraine . Pretty good deal.
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