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Oct 22 2023 11:07am
Quote (El1te @ Oct 22 2023 05:35pm)
I'd expect Ukraine would be able to retake some territory if the Russians are getting beaten so badly.. why haven't they?

I think this is the real reason: there is no meatgrinder, Russia has already achieved it's initial objectives in capturing most of Eastern Ukraine, and now they are fortifying their new borders & not launching more attacks. Ukraine must be able to mount a successful offensive, but they evidently do not have the ability, Russia is too fortified to attack

Right now Ukraine has to take the L and fortify their own lines instead of attempting offensives.


Russia had 6 months for fortify a defensive line and bed in new recruits. The Ukrainians are attempting manoeuvres that no NATO or Russian army for that matter, would attempt. Mainly because of the lack of air superiority.
Imagine the first gulf war, but instead of overwhelming air superiority the coalition have 5% of the air power the Iraqis had.

I personally was never convinced Ukraine could liberate substantial territory barring a massive Russian collapse of moral; What they have done is bring Crimea and Russian supply lines into range of Ukrainian missiles, and that is not negligible.

Also I didn't write the Russians are "getting beaten so badly" Those are your words. And an infantile description it is.

Are you watching any content from the Russian offensive in Avdiivka? Or are you basing your opinion on whether or not huge swathes of Ukraine is liberated from Russia? That's quite a narrow spectrum if that is the case.
I'd suggest you watch some recent footage for yourself, and then consider how you would describe what is going on.

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Oct 22 2023 11:19am
Not going to post here but just watched a clip of Russian IFV drop a dozen troops into a muddy field under artillery shelling. Move to turn around and then run over 4 of its own soldiers.

They are sending men into certain death in search of Putin's irredentist dream.
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Oct 22 2023 04:48pm


Could you please give me a brief summary of the events in the last 2 weeks? I was so wrapped with work and ladder reset that I didn't follow at all (partially, because I was fed up at that time).
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Oct 23 2023 05:30am
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^Norlander

Could you please give me a brief summary of the events in the last 2 weeks? I was so wrapped with work and ladder reset that I didn't follow at all (partially, because I was fed up at that time).


Kareem got suspended for a poorly translated Russian joke so he is siting out this one. Overall TLDR:

1) Ukranian counteroffensive fizzled against Russian defense lines.

2) Russians are trying to get back near Avdeevka and Kupiansk.

3) Conflict seems to be drone heavy on both sides.

4) Overall there seems to be a massive crackdown on frontline bloggers on Ukranian and Russian side (Wagner affiliated bloggers were the most prolific, RU MOD seems to have cracked down on them). Majority of information we get these days is second hand and unreliable or outdated. Ukranian / British MOD info seems to be complete garbo (300k dead on RU side, lol anyone believes this crap?).

5) The world seems to be prioritizing Israel conflict over Ukranian conflict at the moment.
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Oct 23 2023 05:54am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 22 Oct 2023 19:19)
Not going to post here but just watched a clip of Russian IFV drop a dozen troops into a muddy field under artillery shelling. Move to turn around and then run over 4 of its own soldiers.

They are sending men into certain death in search of Putin's irredentist dream.


Meat drones ...

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Oct 23 2023 07:25am
https://archive.ph/YJTMW

This was a pretty interesting interview in Berliner Zeitung with Gerhard Schroder about German domestic politics, Russia/Ukraine, Israel, AfD and so on.

Our resident germans and might be able to comment whether he is full of shit or not. He is considered a pro-Putin guy.
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Oct 23 2023 07:28am
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 23 2023 12:30pm)
Kareem got ^Norlander suspended for a poorly translated Russian joke so he is siting out this one. Overall TLDR:

1) Ukranian counteroffensive fizzled against Russian defense lines.

2) Russians are trying to get back near Avdeevka and Kupiansk.

3) Conflict seems to be drone heavy on both sides.

4) Overall there seems to be a massive crackdown on frontline bloggers on Ukranian and Russian side (Wagner affiliated bloggers were the most prolific, RU MOD seems to have cracked down on them). Majority of information we get these days is second hand and unreliable or outdated. Ukranian / British MOD info seems to be complete garbo (300k dead on RU side, lol anyone believes this crap?).

5) The world seems to be prioritizing Israel conflict over Ukranian conflict at the moment.


Its kind of a moot point to say Ukrainian or Russian figures are innacruate or exaggerated, that's obviously the case.
Have you got a link for UK MOD estimates?
Afaik they were fairly pragmatic in the past estimations.
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Oct 23 2023 07:36am
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Its kind of a moot point to say Ukrainian or Russian figures are innacruate or exaggerated, that's obviously the case.
Have you got a link for UK MOD estimates?
Afaik they were fairly pragmatic in the past estimations.


I agree. Every side tries to exaggerate the losses of their opponent and minimize their own losses. We can only guess about real losses through excess mortality and/ or public obituaries.

I made a comment about British MOD based on these Twitter blue “Intelligence” summaries which are so pathetic I wonder whether Brits themselves understand how bad that looks to anyone with a drop of critical thought.

You cannot call this “intelligence” if it only tries to shower one side with desperate propaganda. Eg comment from today equally applies to Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine even more as they lose more in wounded compared to the size of their economy which will need to be weened off at some point from EU/US funds while wounded soldiers will still be alive and in need of support. Sounds like some of those NAFO teens interning at UK MOD SMM department and got hold of their twitter handle and are coping hard.

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Oct 23 2023 07:49am
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I agree. Every side tries to exaggerate the losses of their opponent and minimize their own losses. We can only guess about real losses through excess mortality and/ or public obituaries.

I made a comment about British MOD based on these Twitter blue “Intelligence” summaries which are so pathetic I wonder whether Brits themselves understand how bad that looks to anyone with a drop of critical thought.

You cannot call this “intelligence” if it only tries to shower one side with desperate propaganda. Eg comment from today equally applies to Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine even more as they lose more in wounded compared to the size of their economy which will need to be weened off at some point from EU/US funds while wounded soldiers will still be alive and in need of support. Sounds like some of those NAFO teens interning at UK MOD SMM department and got hold of their twitter handle and are coping hard.

https://i.imgur.com/s9V7Nlz.jpg


That particular post doesn't include anything about casualties?

I agree that these kind of "posts" from intelligence organisations should be taken very modestly; but that particular post doesn't seem too outlandish?
I also agree that a lot of it could easily be considered propaganda but that particular post seems fairly pragmatic, would you not agree?
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Oct 23 2023 08:03am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Oct 23 2023 09:49am)
That particular post doesn't include anything about casualties?

I agree that these kind of "posts" from intelligence organisations should be taken very modestly; but that particular post doesn't seem too outlandish?
I also agree that a lot of it could easily be considered propaganda but that particular post seems fairly pragmatic, would you not agree?


It's always one sided, with an underlying continual thread focused on highlighting Russian MOD failures and/or general deterioration while omitting or rarely talking about Ukraine which are just as bad if not worse.

It's propaganda designed to induce a feeling that they are losing. Pretty much all of the ISW/UK MOD whatever other 'official' western intelligence sources you find online try to do this.
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