That sounds like nuance, which as we both know is a liberal conspiracy

McCabe says one thing, Rosenstein says another thing, McCabe backtracks. But yes, the OIG already showed that McCabe was crooked and both a leaker and liar who was pursuing an agenda through deception and abuse of office, so his word doesn't mean very much from that point on. The investigation at this point is more a matter of their willingness to prosecute him and the criminality of it, not the facts of the matter which Horowitz kind of settled.

If McCabe isn't at the bottom, who is? I mean, unless we're counting bit characters like Reality Winner or James Wolfe. McCabe's the one guy we know beyond any doubt was a total snake. There's questions as to his motivation and how political he really was- his leaks to the WSJ seemed to be more a matter of undermining Comey and the SDNY to make himself look good so Hillary would install him as the new chief, a self serving interest. But mad rush in the hours after Comey was fired to go after Trump with the full force of the FBI the moment he got the reins- something Comey had been holding back out of his cautious boy scout approach- points to a political agenda rather than his own advancement.

I'd say there's a better argument for the character and integrity of folks like Strzok, Page, Lynch, etc than there is for McCabe. Nobody ever really showed Strzok abusing his office, just having a raging anti-Trump boner. But McCabe's got no redeeming qualities in this story. He was involved in virtually every corrupt and politically tainted aspect of the Hillary emails, FISA abuse & Trump investigation sagas. Whatever credible and well-intentioned products we can get from say Mueller, they came in spite of McCabe rather than because of him.

Where is the smoking gun!!!!!

I need me some collusions.

I'm not fully knowledgeable about what the facts are surrounding McCabe, but if it's serious enough that his case was referred for prosecution, clearly there was wrongdoing. I don't think it was inappropriate for him to open an investigation into Trump though.

The bottom would be people like Donald Trump and Paul Manafort who have a decades long history of being corrupt, criminal liars. These sort of people have zero credibility. Then somewhere in the middle you have characters like Flynn and McCabe who had decades of honorable service, but at some point went off that path.



No collusion, says all the people too scared to bet FG on it.

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You're well aware of multiple people's terms for your bet. You won't make a deal!!!!!!!

Judge orders Stone to appear in court after he shared photo of her with crosshairs

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/430555-judge-orders-stone-to-appear-in-court-after-he-shared-photo-of-her

Orange suit™ soon ?

I could link you the OIG report but you'd have to be as autistic as me to read the whole thing, its practically the iliad.
The cliffs notes is that he leaked this story to the WSJ via two intermediaries;
http://archive.is/91ru0
Anything credited to 'people familiar with the matter.' is from his leaks. I forgot the name of the two, but they were FBI lawyers, they're known and named
The leaks were designed to make McCabe look good and other FBI offices look bad, and to distance Hillary from the Weiner laptop right before the election.
He then called up and chewed out another FBI office for the leaks, accusing them of doing the leak he had done- and lied to FBI investigators on at least 3 different dates over the next year when they were probing the leak

Between micromanaging the clinton email investigation to let her off the hook, the FISA wiretaps, leaking to the WSJ and lying about it, presiding over the winter of intel leaks against Trump, then weaponizing the FBI against him after Comey was gone and even talking about wiretaps and the 25th amendment- McCabe is the guy who never showed any professionalism, neutrality or ethical caution. There are solid arguments about how Comey showed character in his handwringing over the right steps in his investigations and how to protect the FBI from the appearance of politicization- while his 2nd in command thought Hoover didn't go far enough. Heck, the biggest strike against Comey I have from this whole thing is that he swore to Trump about McCabe's professionalism, then we find out McCabe was the biggest snake of them all. I've said before many times, either Comey was incompetent or he was complicit, because he's responsible for his right-hand man.

Did I miss something? I was under the understanding that no collusion was found. Wasn't this announced?

Forget the nitpicking. Yeah, some people did some ethically questionable things, on both sides of the isle. Yes, even some potentially criminal things. No treason or sedition though. Just good old fashioned shitbaggery.

Why is this topic still in existence? No collusion. /topic