I already replied to this talking point of yours.


- Russia would never allow proper elections under proper UN superivsion instead of the sham referendums they usually pull out of their ass. Russia would never actually leave if that is the will of the people.

- Barring a total Russian defeat on the battlefield - which looks highly unlikely at this point - Crimea being formally part of Russia will be a key component of any realistic peace deal. To deny this is to deny reality. What Russia actually wants, and which is one of the main reasons they fought this war, is establishing a land bridge to Crimea and securing the resources and industry of the Donbass. Musk says nothing about that.

- Ukraine not weaponizing Crimea's water dependence against them is a common sense proposition in any scenario in which Crimea will belong to Russia.



So the only point on which Musk is needlessly embracing the Russian position is Ukrainian neutrality (i.e. no NATO or EU membership). But then again, if you polled the people across Europe or NA, that's a demand with which more than 35% of people would easily agree, so it's hard to hold this against Musk specifically.

Speaking of which: your claim that the strength of the Western "peace with Russia"-faction is almost entirely due to Russian propaganda is simplistic, convenient and not backed by historical facts. There have always been peaceniks, long before social media. For example, look at the NATO Double-Track Decision from 1979 about the deployment of new nukes in Western Europe. It was rejected by an outright majority of the people in West Germany and multiple other NATO countries; there were huge protests against it. Peace rallies in Amsterdam, Bonn, New York City, Den Haag and Vienna attracted 400k / 500k / 1m / 550k / 700k people, respectively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Double-Track_Decision


This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 3 2023 05:36am

This is one of those cases where what you don't address is far more interesting.

Writing a multiple paragraph response to avoid that musk's own words say his conversation with putin was why he posted what he did.

Curious

I shook hands with the president of the united states. That does not mean i supported the Iraq war. The fact that billionaires are talking to political leaders when Foreign ministers are not, is a damning testament to current foreign policy by certain countries. It reflects poorly on governments, and not poorly on said billionaire.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 3 2023 06:40am

Anyone that's watched Musk speak in interviews knows he is a self serving ego maniac.

Who is even surprised that he would publicly act a cunt?

Lol does it bother you that he has done more for Ukraine than your copeposting ever will?

I'm genuinely struggling to think of any single private individual that has provided more tangential help to Ukraine than Elon. Can you?

These are the same people that will cry about some billionaire not curing world hunger, while that person has donated tens if not hundreds of millions, yet they haven't done a single value-adding thing for that cause and somehow think their shit-posting on social media is valid. Truly pathetic individuals.




ankle-biters IMO better fit as a label

small insignificant unremarkable individuals eager to open up their mouth and criticize people that actually have an impact on the world

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 3 2023 09:02am

Yeah, sorry ? Excuse me, I was circle jerking in-between Elon Musk, Nord Sream 2, and the Canadian Nazi...