On Starlink:

Starlink was never operational in Crimea (Russian Federation territory) - anyone saying otherwise is deliberately lying

Starlink is a private company, Elon can do as he wishes as he sees is right. In this case, he saw turning it on in Crimea (an act of war against Russia) as not in his best interests.

If Ukraine really wants Starlink, maybe they should take diplomacy 101 and not antagonize those they seek help from? Don't bite the hand that feeds you

Nope, seems he completely messed up by contacting an hostile power and refusing to proceed. He should have contacted his government only or eventually directly accept the request of the government owning the land which is Ukraine.
Your private property only exists because of nations, countries.

/e (you can modelize it with a gun nut facing a foreign power tank)

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Oct 2 2023 12:53pm

If you're supplying it for use in a war, it isn't really consistent to say "I don't want it used in war" as the reason why you won't expand the front lines.

And when those front lines are occupied territory by the invader, you're siding with the invader's right to keep those territories.

So you're right, he has no obligation to provide it legally, but he is taking a stance on what constitutes aggression versus defense, and making that determination in Russia's favor.

And since he made this determination after being in contact with multiple Russian agents including Putin, and after those contacts made tweets about making peace that just so happened to be what Russia wanted... yeah... it's pretty obvious what's going on.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 2 2023 12:54pm

From your first link (guardian):


Okay then...


What your second link (hill) says is that Musk confirms that he resisted requests from the government to extend Starlink coverage to Crimea. So if he had only provided Starlink to the Ukraine-controlled parts of Ukraine previously, then he was indeed resisting a SpaceX participation in an escalation of the war. If Starlink had previously covered the Russian-controlled parts of Ukraine too, then (and only then) would your claim be correct that he cut Starlink access to thwart an Ukrainian attack.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 2 2023 12:55pm

See previous discussion.

No,

Following Elon Musk’s decision not to extend Starlink to Crimea, the Senate Armed Services Committee has probed the situation as a national-security issue, the role of Musk and SpaceX, and asked the DoD why Musk was taking decisions instead of US government officials.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Reactions_over_Elon_Musk

He messed up. Now he has blood on his hands.

Starlink was enabled in Ukraine before the war and was not enabled in Russia due to a conflict with Russian state ministries.

Ukranians were free to purchase Starlink systems before the war and use them. Russians could not purchase and use them legally in Russia (not only in Crimea). Crimea is disputed and a lot of tech is disabled there by default.

Private businesses are not obliged to wage warfare on countries with which US is not at war. In fact they should be prosecuted if they do so without explicit permission of the US government as this can end in a tragic foreign diplomacy disaster. Musk asked Pentagon and Pentagon did not give such permission it seems based on the article pierre posted.

My assumption is that Russians told Musk that Starlink systems flying over Russia will be fair fish to fry if he plays stupid games. He did the math, asked the Pentagon and decided its not worth it.

I bet if all the NAFO goons actually volunteered to fight in Ukraine the war would be over in a day

They are probably triggered by Elon turning against Ukraine because they know he has provided them with 100000000x more actual support than their impotent cope posting ever will.

perfect!