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Oct 2 2023 12:28pm
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 2 2023 02:20pm)
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biographer-admits-suggestion-spacex-head-blocked-ukraine-drone-attack-was-wrong

Your Ukranian sources are lying.


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being used for offensive military action as it is a “civilian system”.


Fundamentally this is what is crucial. Being charitable with your tool vs that tool being used in a way that you never intended it to to be used. But these are the subtle ways the pro-war cabal frame these things. Very subversive.

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Oct 2 2023 12:30pm
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Fundamentally this is what is crucial. Being charitable with your tool vs that tool being used in a way that you never intended it to to be used. But these are the subtle ways the pro-war cabal frame these things. Very subversive.


i can only +1 again, i agree.
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Oct 2 2023 12:32pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 2 Oct 2023 20:28)
Fundamentally this is what is crucial. Being charitable with your tool vs that tool being used in a way that you never intended it to to be used. But these are the subtle ways the pro-war cabal frames these things. Very subversive.


I mean drone operators on both sides use Discord tool from Amazon to control their strikes and transmit video information to artillery teams. Shall we blame Amazon for civilian deaths?

Also in other news - Russian EW tech is designed to suppress GPS, Starlink and Iridium systems everywhere they are deployed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/18/discord-leaks-starlink-ukraine/

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Oct 2 2023 12:34pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 2 2023 01:28pm)
Fundamentally this is what is crucial. Being charitable with your tool vs that tool being used in a way that you never intended it to to be used. But these are the subtle ways the pro-war cabal frame these things. Very subversive.


Honestly, I don't see it as much of a distinction.

He's supplying it to the front lines of a war. If you supply it, allow them to rely on it, and then don't allow them to expand front lines even into their own internationally recognized borders currently being occupied by the invading force, you're still making a decision that is pro-Russia. Not having it active in the Donbas region for example, despite it being occupied territory of Ukraine that only pulled away because of the direct involvement of the Russian military.

If he doesn't want it to be used as a tool of war, don't supply it to Ukraine to use in their war.

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Oct 2 2023 12:34pm
To make it clear:

Ukraine requested Musk to enable Starlink up to Crimea.
Musk declined the request but did not disable any existing coverage.
Some drones lost connectivity and washed ashore without exploding, others returned to Ukraine undamaged.
Ukrainian presidential adviser Podolyak responded that civilians and children were being killed as a result, adding that this was "the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego".

and

Musk had talked with the Russian ambassador to the US, who warned him an attack on Crimea would be met with a nuclear response.
To address concerns from DC, Musk explained in a call with Biden's security adviser and the same US Russian ambassador, that he did not wish Starlink to be used offensively.
Musk told Pentagon officials that he spoke with Vladimir Putin

End of story ! He got fooled or collaborated with the Orc regime, same output.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Crimea

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Oct 2 2023 12:35pm
Quote (ferdia @ Oct 2 2023 03:16pm)
also, wiki:

Ukraine incurred minimal expenses for Starlink, as SpaceX, the Pentagon and other countries and entities contributed to covering the costs. The satellite service was free for the Ukrainian military. The more expensive part of the costs is not the terminals but the ongoing connectivity.

initially Elon paid for it, when the US refused to foot the bill, Elon paid, and now finally, apparently, several entities are paying for it.


The mental gymnastics of these people is hilarious, I love it personally because I want them to alienate as many rich and powerful people as possible
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Oct 2 2023 12:36pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 2 2023 01:34pm)
To make it clear:

Ukraine requested Musk to enable Starlink up to Crimea.
Musk declined the request but did not disable any existing coverage.
Some drones lost connectivity and washed ashore without exploding, others returned to Ukraine undamaged.
Ukrainian presidential adviser Podolyak responded that civilians and children were being killed as a result, adding that this was "the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego".

and

Musk had talked with the Russian ambassador to the US, who warned him an attack on Crimea would be met with a nuclear response.
To address concerns from DC, Musk explained in a call with Biden's security adviser and the same US Russian ambassador, that he did not wish Starlink to be used offensively.
Musk told Pentagon officials that he spoke with Vladimir Putin

End of story ! He got fooled or collaborated with the Orc regime, same output.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Crimea


Yeah, we have oodles of evidence of Musk being actively manipulated by Russian agents.
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Oct 2 2023 12:39pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 2 2023 03:36pm)
Yeah, we have oodles of evidence of Musk being actively manipulated by Russian agents.


Calm down Mccarthy
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Oct 2 2023 12:41pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 2 Oct 2023 20:36)
Yeah, we have oodles of evidence of Musk being actively manipulated by Russian agents.


I think: He wanted to appear " neutral " toward his potential buddies (Russia & related bloc assisting it) in the same way Swiss acted " neutral " toward crates full of golden teeth.

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#36020
Oct 2 2023 12:43pm
Since when is an American business obligated to donate their property to a foreign government to facilitate an act of war against a nation with which the US is not at war--and one with more nukes than anyone?

If anything, the exact opposite should be the case. Any American company should be prohibited in assisting a belligerent nation without the express permission or indeed direction of the US government.
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