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Oct 2 2023 12:16pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 2 2023 07:14pm)
Elon 10d chess of giving Ukraine free stuff in order to help the Russians :rofl:


also, wiki:

Ukraine incurred minimal expenses for Starlink, as SpaceX, the Pentagon and other countries and entities contributed to covering the costs. The satellite service was free for the Ukrainian military. The more expensive part of the costs is not the terminals but the ongoing connectivity.

initially Elon paid for it, when the US refused to foot the bill, Elon paid, and now finally, apparently, several entities are paying for it.
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Oct 2 2023 12:17pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 2 Oct 2023 20:13)
No
It's very simple, Ukraine was planning to strike Crimea, he turned off coverage around Crimea because it would be an escalation.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography


You mean he eventually intervened to assist the Russians in using their missiles against civilian infrastructures by sabotaging the Ukrainian drones intervention.
And then later, he invented some poor excuse about "escalation." While like i said previously, is a joke argument considering all the Kremlin & related elite have their families & assets (throught their families) in western countries.

Thus this discussion about this guy is just the regular useless distraction (In before NS 2)

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Oct 2 2023 12:18pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 2 2023 07:15pm)
So he did actively turn it off to help Russia and hurt Ukraine.

Thanks for admitting to exactly what I said lol


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He initially gave Starlink access because he wanted the public brownie points, and then made contact with known Russian connected agents and started using very specific language he clearly got from Russia connected sources. Then he cut Starlink explicitly to help Russia avoid an attack, and only turned it back on when the DoD intervened and pushed for a specific use contract so he can't shut it off again.

As for Twitter / X, what was revealed in the Twitter files is that Trump's whitehouse was actively attempting to censor unfavorable stories about his campaign, and the FBI was in active communication requesting take downs as well for other reasons. Both of these received significant pushback. After Musk took it over, he began actively censoring according to the wants of authoritarian governments specifically such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Musk is censoring with far less pushback now compared to the previous Twitter.

I don't see how anybody can look at Musks's behavior and think he believes in free speech at all. He pretty clearly likes public brownie points but lacks any kind of coherent ethical framework to base his decisions on. He's like George Bush. Just kind of a push over and goes with whoever is the last one in the room with him.


You did not qualify your statement. Your statement could be read to suggest he switched it off in all of Ukraine. Which is not true. the subsequent back and forth's clarified the true position (i.e. clarified your ambiguous wording, to the effect that it was switched off in a region).

Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 2 2023 07:17pm)
You mean he eventually intervened to assist the Russians in using their missiles against civilian infrastructure by sabotaging the Ukrainian drones.
And then later, he invented some poor excuse about "escalation."


The US is afraid of escalation. That is why they did not send troops. your argument is not sound. escalation is a real threat.

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Oct 2 2023 12:19pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 2 Oct 2023 20:15)
So he did actively turn it off to help Russia and hurt Ukraine.

Thanks for admitting to exactly what I said lol


Starink wasn't ever enabled for Crimea.

Ukrainians asked to enable it to attack it. Musk declined.

End of story.
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Oct 2 2023 12:20pm
Quote (ferdia @ Oct 2 2023 01:18pm)
You did not qualify your statement. Your statement could be read to suggest he switched it off in all of Ukraine. Which is not true. the subsequent back and forth's clarified the true position (i.e. clarified your ambiguous wording).


You're right, I could have stated "he cut starlink near Crimea to thwart a Ukrainian attack" if I wanted to be more clear.
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Oct 2 2023 12:20pm
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 2 2023 01:19pm)
Starink wasn't ever enabled for Crimea.

Ukrainians asked to enable it to attack it. Musk declined.

End of story.


He didn't just not turn it on in Crimea. He cut it on the front line near Crimea, as confirmed by Ukrainian sources.
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He didn't just not turn it on in Crimea. He cut it on the front line near Crimea, as confirmed by Ukrainian sources.


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biographer-admits-suggestion-spacex-head-blocked-ukraine-drone-attack-was-wrong

Your Ukranian sources are lying.

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The author of a new biography of Elon Musk has admitted that a controversial detail in an online extract of the book – which suggested that the tech magnate thwarted a Ukrainian drone attack on a Russian naval base in September 2022 – is factually incorrect.

The extract from Walter Isaacson’s book, published in the Washington Post on Thursday, originally said that the SpaceX CEO “secretly” told engineers to turn off Starlink coverage within 100km of the Crimean coast to prevent a Ukrainian attack on the area. “As a result, when the Ukrainian drone subs got near the Russian fleet in Sevastopol, they lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly,” continued the extract.

Musk quickly disputed the story, tweeting that the Starlink regions in question “were not activated” in the first place and that the company “did not deactivate anything”. Instead, there was an “emergency request” from government authorities to activate Starlink to Sevastopol, “the obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor”, wrote Musk. “If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.”

On Friday, Isaacson tweeted a clarification, writing that “the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.”

On Saturday, Isaacson said that based on conversations with Musk, he “mistakenly” believed that the policy preventing Starlink from being used for an attack on Crimea had been decided on the night of the attempted Ukrainian attack. He added that Musk “now says that the policy had been implemented earlier, but the Ukrainians did not know it, and that night he simply reaffirmed the policy”.

In response to Isaacson’s correction, Musk tweeted “Much appreciated, Walter”, adding that the “onus is meaningfully different if I refused to act upon a request from Ukraine vs. made a deliberate change to Starlink to thwart Ukraine”. He also said that Starlink’s terms of service prohibit Starlink being used for offensive military action as it is a “civilian system”.

On Thursday, Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said that Musk’s reported actions were “much more than just a mistake” and that civilians being killed “is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego”.

The Washington Post extract now features a correction at the top of the article page, and the text has been edited to remove the incorrect claims. Isaacson’s book, released on Tuesday, tells the story of Musk’s life, beginning with his childhood in South Africa.


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Oct 2 2023 12:23pm
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thank you

snippet:

The author of a new biography of Elon Musk has admitted that a controversial detail in an online extract of the book – which suggested that the tech magnate thwarted a Ukrainian drone attack on a Russian naval base in September 2022 – is factually incorrect.

The extract from Walter Isaacson’s book, published in the Washington Post on Thursday, originally said that the SpaceX CEO “secretly” told engineers to turn off Starlink coverage within 100km of the Crimean coast to prevent a Ukrainian attack on the area. “As a result, when the Ukrainian drone subs got near the Russian fleet in Sevastopol, they lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly,” continued the extract.

Musk quickly disputed the story, tweeting that the Starlink regions in question “were not activated” in the first place and that the company “did not deactivate anything”. Instead, there was an “emergency request” from government authorities to activate Starlink to Sevastopol, “the obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor”, wrote Musk. “If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.”

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and yet still people will have Elon as being pro russian, just like everyone in this topic that thinks this war is madness.

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Oct 2 2023 12:28pm
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Thanks, I was relying on the testimony of the Ukrainians who had said it was cut near crimea.
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Oct 2 2023 12:28pm
Not an escalation in an already fully conventional war. When will people learn that?
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