anyone at this point unable to accept 2 simple things is deluding themselves.

1. the run on the capital was 100% to stop the vote
2. certain nefarious members of the riot wanted to get access to senators, the vice president, and specifically Dem leaders of congress

these 2 items are inarguable.

i'd add that it was premediated, at least from before Trump did his speech where we clearly have people saying "we're going to take the capital", and i'd point to members of several groups saying the same for some time leading up to that day, but expecting people who can't even bother to acknowledge 1 and 2 to accept that is not worth my energy anymore. they're intent on downplaying the violence by pointing out a low death count, and categorizing it as an unguided tour.

these are the same idiots who that day and for days after tried to make the silly argument that taxpayers should have access to federal buildings anyways with phrases like "its our building". as if paying 1/300,000,000th of the tax share by population makes you able to bypass security checkpoints.....



what we have here is another 9-11 type grasp of facts, where misinformation has led people to share and reshare untrue individual facts like the fire extinguisher attack (not uncommon for chaotic events where it takes time to settle individual facts), that then are parroted by officials to become part of the "official story". the same way 9-11 truthers latch on to ANY inconsistency to try and cast doubt on the entirety of the official story. and no, 9-11 and this event aren't equivalent in their importance, and no again that isn't a bar that needs to be met for a congressional investigation, and no the last time i dont support congress "investigating" this or 9-11 because they're as bad at combing through facts as the average grandma is at forming opinions based on facebook memes.

still many people fucked up in both the lead up and the defense of the capital, and they should be tarred and feathers on their way to being mall cops somewhere.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 3 2021 11:34am

I think I agree with most of that. One thing I would distinguish, however, is the part with the premeditation: storming the Capitol was clearly premeditated by some protesters, but I doubt that there really were concrete, premeditated plans to abduct lawmakers. The first groups in the building would have moved a lot more swiftly and with more coordination if such plans that had really existed.



... fucking hell

1.

1. antifa/blm breached the building before the trumper were even done with their speeches

2. the cops waved in the trumpers

3. perhaps naive trumpers learned a little bit about cops?

4 now after four years of fraud leftie anti cop rhetoric fraud lefties now tout themselves ............... so concerned about blue lives. even had one of the fake criers on CNN don lemon the fraud giving him a big hug lol what a bunch of frauds

i seem to remember talk of "ripping them out of their seats" on the march over from people, but i would agree we cant say 100% they came to kidnap/kill/etc. Although someone was demanding a cop "arrest Mike Pence" to stop him from verifying the votes, and that doesnt strike me as spur of the moment thinking.

in any case the video showed to me at least that the layout of the building itself would have been a challenge to breach straight to either house before it was evacuated. it was only due to some really poor defense and the action of a fast thinking cop that they even got close. Romney specifically nearly made contact with hostiles, and his label as RINO may have had that end up really bad.

logically, if we accept they came to physically stop the vote, and then we ask "then what", the answer is "they take recess and then vote the next day". this doesnt strike me as acceptable to the vapid "stop the steal" crowd. its not as if SCOTUS would see the attack and then intervene to pause the verification. the verification is both legally binding and largely ceremonial. on odd mix to psychoanalyze.

I see a crowd of rioters in the Capitol building, talking (not fighting) with police, culminating in one protester asking the officer to "Please go arrest Pence" before the camera cuts to a different scene. Do you see this as an attempt to violently seize the powers of state?

Aside, I am reading that several rioters have charged for allegedly having firearms on their person. Isn't it odd that these people did not use the weapons in the course of attempting to violently overthrow the government of the United States? Breaking into the Capitol is a serious enough offense, and makes for a dangerous enough situation, without exaggerating intent beyond all reasonable belief. As I said before, the FBI has been all-in on the investigation. If they do not uncover a conspiracy, then I have to conclude that there isn't one there.



The errors fit a pattern. Mainstream democratic media sources (e.g. the NYT) release a "scoop" from an anonymous source, which is quickly "independently verified" by similar outfits (e.g. CNN, WaPo), and is used to promote the (i.e. "THE") narrative. The "scoop" later turns out to be false, the "independent verifications" all from that same false source, which is never revealed, and a quiet correction is appended to an archived article that does not get one twentieth the circulation of the original. Take a look at this thread. People still believe or believed that Sicknick was murdered by protesters, first by a fire extinguisher, then by bear spray, and that protesters had brought zip ties to the event. I wouldn't be surprised if many or most people believe that multiple officers were murdered; it's certainly a narrative that Pelosi is currently selling. They're not innocuous inconsistencies, they're narrative forming errors that are so consistently prevalent as to almost certainly be intentional.

And of course they wanted to disrupt the vote. They were there to protest the vote. The Wisconsin Capitol building was occupied in 2011. Was that not specifically to disrupt a government elected by the people? As for two, see my response to Black. The FBI has invested every available resource into identifying a plot to abduct or otherwise obtain "access" to representatives, senators, or the VP. If they can't find anything, it just isn't there. I will wait for the results of that investigation. I don't think anyone should put faith into NYT reporting at this point in time. As Bush put it, "Fool me once... shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.'"

This post was edited by bogie160 on Aug 4 2021 07:38am

you have an Asperger's like adherence to the appeal to authority when it suits you, and claim they're deepstate infiltrated corrupt organizations when it doesn't. if the FBI does arrest someone it will be fun to see if you push the throw them to the wolves button or the Biden pressured the FBI to find a scapegoat who is actually innocent button.

as to 2011 in WI, Walker made an unprecedented move to freeze the collective bargaining rights of only a single union, teachers, called it budgetarily necessary, and didnt touch the police, prison workers, or UAW unions. because they vote red, and teachers skew like 70% blue. they camped out with signs for a few weeks, a few jobless nutsos stayed longer, and it was almost entirely peaceful. both are protests, one is illegal, what a stupid semantic point you've tried to make....

and i see you're on the same idiotic point void made "bUt tHeY hAd gUnS tHeY dIdNt uSe". sure, a few people chose not to draw guns on a police force that would have returned fire on them, as any logical person would. when it was mace and fists cops just slowly got beaten back. shoot a gun and it turns into Kansas State in a flash. again, stupid point.

overall im just sad, not at the events of that day im over that. im sad i ever considered you anything but a middling intelligence entrenched ideologue. dont bother responding now or ever again to me on this topic or any other. that goes for void as well. you're now both in the same zone as fender and ill not engage with either of you ever again. i hope your life is decent as it can be for a group of people with such a startling gap between perceived and actual IQ.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 4 2021 08:28am

I have watched the entire video, and I saw plenty of violence by various groups of rioters. Asking if they attempted to "violently seize the powers of state" is a cheap deflection because this sets the bar for a damnable action impossibly high. A bunch of rednecks, overwhelmingly unorganized, undisciplined and driven by an emotional frenzy, never had the potential to seize the powers of the state, and you know it.


Why would they use their guns? Guns are a great equalizer and diminish the value of the numerical advantage that the rioters had. Moreover, all police officers present in and around the Capitol had guns while only a tiny fraction of the rioters, if any, were armed. From a tactical point of view, it would have been foolish for organized insurrectionists who really want to overthrow the government to pull their guns before the Capitol police does. Similarly, from a public opinion point of view, it would have been much better for these people's goals if the police had been the ones to open fire.


Agreed. Like I said before, it seems highly unlikely that there was a big conspiracy or premeditation to abduct lawmakers or attempt a genuine coup. However, even in the absence of premeditation, the likelihood was imho high that these first groups of protesters in the Capitol would have seized the opportunity to abduct or harm lawmakers if such an opportunity had presented itself - and like the footage I linked you proves, we got really close to such a situation.

While I agree with your criticism of the liberal MSM and their dirty tricks, I must still say that the footage from that 40 minute nytimes video was appalling. I largely turned down the volume to not get distracted by the obviously slanted commentary, but the raw footage is more than enough to paint the events of that day in a really bad light. That Democrats and their allies in the media try to portray these events as something even worse should not distract from the actual facts, and those are bad enough.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 4 2021 08:41am

lol the term "arkancide" is recognized in the english language.

RWW News: DeAnna Lorraine Says Capitol Police Are Being 'Offed' to Cover Up the Truth About Jan. 6
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ag3glguutxg/

jan 6th commission is just more leftie fraud.

Why is it bad tho? These people enslave us, live on our back with high salary for what? Cheating the people?

They all need to get done no exception . Even France and Italy understand that.

You guys been calling yourself the best Patriots on Earth for a decade or two, stop being scared and wake the fuck up. Fight for your rights.

You guys made fun of the French people with "White flag" yet they are the only one with Italians doing something bout it while the rest of the world Magic Find.

There's more people bothered with the direction of Blizzard " MUHHHHHH GAME MUHHHHHHH LIFE :(:(:(" versus people who care bout their future and their country.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Aug 4 2021 10:49am

Lol, the insurrection was based on Trump losing aka the crowd predominantly white aka white rage. It had nothing to do with covid passports or whatever the fuck.