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How many more days until things like the tox report/autopsy/coroner's report become a topic of discussion at the trial?
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uh oh, caught not reading. i answered entirely, if u disagree ok, but i left no part unanswered.

i said its not fault of Chauvin, but liability. and that he's not guilty of murder, but manslaughter by gross negligence.

once restrained the public safety lessons considerably, and floyd's safety raises considerably. this is a basic fact of police work, oops u missed that i guess.

u said drugs killed him, i posted a report, it doesnt say that. u were wrong. u countered with "where does it say neck/lungs killed him see it doesnt SEE". i made no claim floyds neck or lungs were the cause of his death, bad form peter. u goofed up. oops.

i have u facts from MPD's own training program stating what should have been done, and wasnt, even after chauvin was told by recently trained officers.


Floyd died from Cardiac Arrest, did he not? Does the "recovery position" cure cardiac arrest? Criminally Negligent Manslaughter might cover what you describe, but the question becomes, could ANY action of the officers on scene, from the point of the medical emergency, to when the medics arrived, have alleviated the situation?

Not a medical professional, but nothing I can find would indicate ANY training the officers had from the point when Floyd went unresponsive would have helped. And he was still an uncooperative suspect up to that point. Yes?
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Floyd died from Cardiac Arrest, did he not? Does the "recovery position" cure cardiac arrest? Criminally Negligent Manslaughter might cover what you describe, but the question becomes, could ANY action of the officers on scene, from the point of the medical emergency, to when the medics arrived, have alleviated the situation?

Not a medical professional, but nothing I can find would indicate ANY training the officers had from the point when Floyd went unresponsive would have helped. And he was still an uncooperative suspect up to that point. Yes?


luckily u dont have to be:

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/Exhibit112112020.pdf

as stated in the "but for" portion the medical examiner could NOT say Floyd would have survived but for the actions of the officer.

aka what ive said all along, hell walk for 2nd degree, but 3rd degree given negligence likely would have stuck better.

autopsy result: too large of a heart + general health + drugs taken that day + encounter with police = death

you may think this means chauvin isnt at fault. but 1+1+1 =/= 4. does 3 kill floyd? we dont know, because of chauvins actions. against training and suggestions from a paramedic on scene and his fellow officers, supposedly even after Floyd lost consciousness.
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luckily u dont have to be:

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/Exhibit112112020.pdf

as stated in the "but for" portion the medical examiner could NOT say Floyd would have survived but for the actions of the officer.

aka what ive said all along, hell walk for 2nd degree, but 3rd degree given negligence likely would have stuck better.

autopsy result: too large of a heart + general health + drugs taken that day + encounter with police = death

you may think this means chauvin isnt at fault. but 1+1+1 =/= 4. does 3 kill floyd? we dont know, because of chauvins actions. against training and suggestions from a paramedic on scene and his fellow officers, supposedly even after Floyd lost consciousness.


You failed to answer the question. I don't honestly blame you though. Allow me to answer it for you:

From the point where Floyd went into cardiac arrest to the point where the EMTs arrive was approximately 2 minutes. You have approximately 5 minutes to resuscitate. He was resuscitated multiple times, and the coroner's report reflected that fact.

Every attempt was made to save George Floyd's life. The officers on scene were not qualified to do so, but they had called the professionals who'd have a shot long prior. Tell me, given the coroner's report pretty directly states that no action of the officers caused the death, and yet their actions regarding medics clearly attempted to prevent it, what else were they supposed to do?
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Just want to point out for people throwing about 11ng/ml like it means everything that my great aunt survived a BAC of 0.89%.
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You failed to answer the question. I don't honestly blame you though. Allow me to answer it for you:

From the point where Floyd went into cardiac arrest to the point where the EMTs arrive was approximately 2 minutes. You have approximately 5 minutes to resuscitate. He was resuscitated multiple times, and the coroner's report reflected that fact.

Every attempt was made to save George Floyd's life. The officers on scene were not qualified to do so, but they had called the professionals who'd have a shot long prior. Tell me, given the coroner's report pretty directly states that no action of the officers caused the death, and yet their actions regarding medics clearly attempted to prevent it, what else were they supposed to do?


The coroners report i initially linked was simply fact based, and as Goom states vague.

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12949-TT/Exhibit112112020.pdf

this report expounds on the coroners report, and states quite clearly that while floyd was likely in an overdose scenario the lethality of that scenario is not clear should officers have not acted as they did.

so to answer your last question, per the report, they were not supposed to do what they did. because it does not clearly absolve them of guilt in Floyd's death.

if it did the prosecutor may not have charged Chauvin at all for murder, perhaps just some brutality related charge on an already on his way to death man. or the judge would have dismissed charges pre-trial as this fact would have absolved Chauvin.

every attempt was not made, as the recovery position is specifically used in cases where cardiac arrest is a present danger.

now you as a juror or member of the public are more able to look at the facts of the case and decide that Floyd was a goner regardless, but its not an objective fact per the autopsy report or coroners clarifying statements. just as the narrative that a knee on his neck killed him inherently is wholly disproved by the coroner's lack of findings of neck damage and chest damage.

its not a case that he was killed inherently, but rather that he wasnt given the best chance to survive. which is consistent with what ive said all along about what charges were appropriate and not used by the DA. its a classic overcharge to appease the masses.

Quote (Santara @ Apr 1 2021 09:42am)
Just want to point out for people throwing about 11ng/ml like it means everything that my great aunt survived a BAC of 0.89%.


indeed, my buddy got a DUI, blew .3% or so, swallowed a baggie of xanies when he was pulled over, and survived just fine after a night in the drunk tank.

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Just want to point out for people throwing about 11ng/ml like it means everything that my great aunt survived a BAC of 0.89%.


No idea what that means. According to BAC calculator, I range from .4 to .7 on any given night when I drink. Is that true? Probably not.

Fentanyl is not alcohol. Fentanyl is to morphine what morphine is to Tylenol. And alcohol is to Fentanyl what cough syrup is to vodka. Let's not split hairs here.

Under normal circumstances, "Man has high doses of methamphetamines in system, fights cops, dies of heart attack" is seen in the news, it's no big deal. Even without the Fentanyl, Floyd would not be given the benefit of the doubt. Please explain why this is different?
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