Quote (Djunior @ Apr 7 2022 07:33am)

You're such a simp, lol

This entire war could've been avoided but you guys just had to wave EU flags and make promises during Euromaidan revolution, talking about poking the bear, lol. You woke clowns are hopeless SMH.

https://i.imgur.com/gf6IQey.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZa0E3eZwj0

Quote (Goomshill @ 7 Apr 2022 08:45)

and to put more perspective on the moral rationalizations-

If I say ISIS and Saddam were both baddies, nobody disagrees
If I say ISIS was far worse than Saddam, nobody sane disagrees
If I say America is responsible for creating ISIS by removing Saddam, creating a power vacuum and failing to secure the borders in the Iraq withdrawal, escalating the conflict with the US weapons left behind and leaving the Iraqi civilians at the mercy of the invading horde, I think that's also fair
So combine the above statements and you can reasonably say that America holds some responsible for the slaughters perpetrated by ISIS, having created the circumstances of the conflict even if ISIS themselves were the baddies committing the heinous acts.
It doesn't diminish the culpability of ISIS. But that blood is on our hands, because of the direct nexus between our foreign policy and those atrocities.

America either initiated or promoted Euromaidan and lent support to it when it was in progress, and micromanaged the aftermath to put our "friends" in control of the country. When Russia acted to first seize back the east and later to invade Ukraine proper, America failed to secure Ukraine's borders and refused to invest the kind of military response that could provoke world war 3, but still escalated the conflict with US weapons and left Ukrainians at the mercy of the invading horde. So what's that on our hands?

Quote (Skinned @ Apr 7 2022 07:41am)

Ukraine doesn't want to simp for Russia. Hard for you to understand.

Which US states would you give to Mexico to keep the peace if they rolled into Texas? Well we would flatten them. Europe could do the same to Russian forces in Ukraine right now.

Quote (Skinned @ Apr 7 2022 01:41pm)

Ukraine doesn't want to simp for Russia. Hard for you to understand.

Which US states would you give to Mexico to keep the peace if they rolled into Texas? Well we would flatten them. Europe could do the same to Russian forces in Ukraine right now.

Quote (fender @ Apr 7 2022 12:00pm)

someone still doesn't understand what false equivalence means, lol. it's perfectly fair to point out war crimes committed by ukraine. it's also perfectly valid to talk about how "western" diplomacy has been a thorn in pootin's eye for very long, since he (wrongly) thinks that it's russia's right to determine what its neighbours are allowed to do, and what not.

if you only ever do that as a "reaction" to someone pointing out russian transgressions, war crimes, massacres - if you constantly resort to simplistic "well ukrainians aren't perfect either - both sides carry blame" in order to play down those atrocities, in order to suggest therefore it'd be wrong to take a side, you're not being "fair and balanced", you're being a useful idiot / propagandist, and your moral compass is way off.

let's remember a major distinction here: it is russia that decided to invade their democratic neighbours. it is russia that has been shelling civilian infrastructure (including maternity wards, schools, orphanages...) from the very beginning. it is russia that started a massive war, leading to the death of thousands of innocent people, the destruction of major cities, the displacement of millions, and unspeakable suffering. constantly trying to "bothsides" this war is absurd.


someone breaks into a house, rapes and murders the wife and kids. the husband manages to grab the attacker's gun and shoots them in the head. people like goon-shill and ferdia are the edgelords who go "well shooting people in the head is illegal, i'm not taking a side here, they are both in the wrong - all violence is bad, mkay?"

Quote (fender @ Apr 7 2022 02:03pm)

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 7 2022 02:04pm)

"ThIs Is A vERrY CoMplEXe SiTuAtIoN" ^_^

Quote (Djunior @ Apr 7 2022 01:40pm)

You should post here https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92384602&f=149