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Sep 30 2023 08:04am
Quote (majorblood @ 30 Sep 2023 15:45)
Do you think Ukraine is a fascist state if they are imprisoning people (notably disabled grandmas) for hitting the like button on social media? Or would you support that?



I would be suprised, and it could be faked information / Russian propaganda, posted by a ruscist... Who spent too much time reading RT.
Like: the woman was actively supporting genocidal regime in a country at war with it, so it never was "just a click on a button". I guess she had a prison sentence, but suspended, and just had to pay a small fine.

Conclusion: You are asking silly questions over shitty hypothetisis because you have nothing else.


can you link the source regarding your post "grandma jailed by ukrainian justice for doing likes on social medias" please ?
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=651299316


/e I translated the picture from russian TV:

"Sounds legit"



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Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 30 2023 07:04am)
I would be suprised, and it could be faked information / Russian propaganda, posted by a ruscist... Who spent too much time reading RT.
Like: the woman was actively supporting genocidal regime in a country at war with it, so it never was "just a click on a button". I guess she had a prison sentence, but suspended, and just had to pay a small fine.

Conclusion: You are asking silly questions over shitty hypothetisis because you have nothing else.

^Malopox
can you link the source regarding your post "grandma jailed by ukrainian justice for doing likes on social medias" please ?
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=651299316


You didn't answer my question, if what was said is true would you say the Ukraine is a fascist state and if so do you support it?

"I'd be surprised" doesn't answer me.

To your picture, I don't care. Russia is garbage -- I don't support it.

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Sep 30 2023 08:36am
Quote (majorblood @ 30 Sep 2023 16:22)
You didn't answer my question, if what was said is true would you say the Ukraine is a fascist state and if so do you support it?

"I'd be surprised" doesn't answer me.


I want to see the source and details before answering to you. /e Thus i'mm give you a tip: the answer is mostly a NO because it's a single case.

I am also asking you the same question.


Quote (majorblood @ 30 Sep 2023 16:22)
To your picture, I don't care. Russia is garbage -- I don't support it.


People like you aren't supporting anything.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 30 2023 07:36am)
I want to see the source and details before answering to you.
I am also asking you the same question.


You wont engage in a hypothetical and disavow an obvious fascist hypothetical? Does it hurt your cognitive dissonance?

You are asking me if I would call the Ukraine a fascist state if they imprison ordinary people for wrongthink on social media? absolutely.
Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 30 2023 07:36am)




People like you aren't supporting anything.


What does 'people like you' mean?

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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Sep 30 2023 03:15pm)
Ah interesting, where in South America?

They may not care about you saying you are left or right but if you started spreading communist ideology and organizing people you might experience a different response, just as an example, obviously it would vary depending on the country but I don't think absolute freedom of speech exists anywhere really. Doesn't mean it isn't something to strive for but i think it runs contrary to human nature in a lot of instances.


panama, paraguay, argentina are the places i spent some time in

for sure, if i am like "i am a foreigner and i wanna organise a communist rainbow march", the backlash will be severe

but that goes beyond the term "speech" anyway

and thats okay (political activities should be illegal for foreigners), but the thought crime bullshit and cancel culture just dont exist, nobody cares

i agree with you, the absolute does not exist, but speaking without any fear is as good as its gonna get
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Sep 30 2023 08:53am
Quote (majorblood @ 30 Sep 2023 16:40)
You wont engage in a hypothetical?
You are asking me if I would call the Ukraine a fascist state if they imprison ordinary people for wrongthink on social media? absolutely.
What does 'people like you' mean?


The real answer is that you are an ignorant like this "elite" guy who belongs to your guild.

Why I am saying this ?
Because countries at war are always trying to stop (and arrest) people spreading enemy propaganda inside their own territory. Even democratic ones.

So if Ukraine someday jail few people for spread propaganda i will not be shocked. And if it's a deaf, blind, senile, legless, grandma, (with alot of blind cats) well... Link me the source then.

lol GL
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Sep 30 2023 10:11am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 30 Sep 2023 16:04)
I would be suprised, and it could be faked information / Russian propaganda, posted by a ruscist... Who spent too much time reading RT.
Like: the woman was actively supporting genocidal regime in a country at war with it, so it never was "just a click on a button". I guess she had a prison sentence, but suspended, and just had to pay a small fine.

Conclusion: You are asking silly questions over shitty hypothetisis because you have nothing else.

^Malopox
can you link the source regarding your post "grandma jailed by ukrainian justice for doing likes on social medias" please ?
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=651299316


/e I translated the picture from russian TV:

"Sounds legit"

https://i.imgur.com/D4ItaAc.png


It’s literally BBC News.

Why are you so obsessed with Ukranian babushkas? People like you don’t give a shit about suffering of the common folk.

https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/articles/c4nle3yn9lvo

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Sep 30 2023 10:34am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Sep 30 2023 11:49am)
panama, paraguay, argentina are the places i spent some time in

for sure, if i am like "i am a foreigner and i wanna organise a communist rainbow march", the backlash will be severe

but that goes beyond the term "speech" anyway

and thats okay (political activities should be illegal for foreigners), but the thought crime bullshit and cancel culture just dont exist, nobody cares

i agree with you, the absolute does not exist, but speaking without any fear is as good as its gonna get


Ah cool, must have been fun places to visit, I'd love to travel to south america sometime
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Sep 30 2023 10:51am
Quote (Malopox @ 30 Sep 2023 18:11)
It’s literally BBC News.

Why are you so obsessed with Ukranian babushkas? People like you don’t give a shit about suffering of the common folk.

https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/articles/c4nle3yn9lvo

https://i.imgur.com/oKm6MDB.jpg


yes.

=>
"In approximately 90% of cases, say human rights defenders and the pensioner's lawyer, the defendants plead guilty, make a deal with the investigation and serve a suspended sentence instead of prison."
=>
Apparently, the woman actively used the Internet, at least she knew exactly how to sign petitions on the president's website.
In 2022, her name, which BBC Ukraine cannot publish due to legal restrictions, was among 87 signatories of a petition entitled "The USA must repent and pay for the coronavirus they created", and in January 2022 - among 14 Ukrainians who signed a petition with the title "Ukrainian people hate Zelenskyi more and more".

Etc

You completely faked the article, and Im not suprised, this is what any ruscist agent like you would do.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 30 2023 01:51pm)
yes.

=>
"In approximately90% of cases, say human rights defenders and the pensioner's lawyer, the defendants plead guilty, make a deal with the investigation and serve a suspended sentence instead of prison."
=>
Apparently, the woman actively used the Internet, at least she knew exactly how to sign petitions on the president's website.
In 2022, her name, which BBC Ukraine cannot publish due to legal restrictions, was among 87 signatories of a petition entitled "The USA must repent and pay for the coronavirus they created", and in January 2022 - among 14 Ukrainians who signed a petition with the title "Ukrainian people hate Zelenskyi more and more".

Etc

You completely faked the article, and Im not suprised, this is what any ruscist agent like you would do.


If I post that article can I be an agent too? It sounds sexy and mysterious
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