This is why this war should be stopped. Crimea is de-facto under Russian control, so is Donetsk and Luhansk oblast. Ukraine is pretty demilitarized (with little help of Kinzhal and Iskander) and somewhat de-nazified (lost their neo-nazis in combat). Zelensky ceased his ambitions about joining Nato and regaining nuclear weapons. Dollar is 76 roubles like never happened.
Was it worth spending 50 thousands of lives from both sides for literally nothing? The question is still open to discuss. If you say that both regimes are guilty for this to happen I'd say yes. Even more, politicians as a form of beings should be strangled at birth or should have never be born at all and stay an itch in their daddy's pants.

Curb your faux outrage frenchie and read up on the France-Algerian war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War

Entire villages butchered and raped GTFO far left purple haired hypocrite

agree with all that.



probably because that does not fit with their world view, which apparently, only has goodies and baddies.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 7 2022 02:46am

and to put more perspective on the moral rationalizations-

If I say ISIS and Saddam were both baddies, nobody disagrees
If I say ISIS was far worse than Saddam, nobody sane disagrees
If I say America is responsible for creating ISIS by removing Saddam, creating a power vacuum and failing to secure the borders in the Iraq withdrawal, escalating the conflict with the US weapons left behind and leaving the Iraqi civilians at the mercy of the invading horde, I think that's also fair
So combine the above statements and you can reasonably say that America holds some responsible for the slaughters perpetrated by ISIS, having created the circumstances of the conflict even if ISIS themselves were the baddies committing the heinous acts.
It doesn't diminish the culpability of ISIS. But that blood is on our hands, because of the direct nexus between our foreign policy and those atrocities.

America either initiated or promoted Euromaidan and lent support to it when it was in progress, and micromanaged the aftermath to put our "friends" in control of the country. When Russia acted to first seize back the east and later to invade Ukraine proper, America failed to secure Ukraine's borders and refused to invest the kind of military response that could provoke world war 3, but still escalated the conflict with US weapons and left Ukrainians at the mercy of the invading horde. So what's that on our hands?

Actually a starvation happened in Central and Povolzhie regions has nothing to do with Ukraine. So called Holodomor in all of it's atrocities was adressed to all of the regions mentioned above. It was a consequence followed by "Collectivization" and further export of wheat and grains. My grand-grandma lost her 5 younger brothers to starvation living in Moscow region.

This post was edited by Norlander on Apr 7 2022 02:52am

that was astutely and concisely put.


This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 7 2022 03:14am

Fucking animals.

https://kyivindependent.com/national/bucha-massacre-survivors-why-do-russians-hate-us-so-much

someone still doesn't understand what false equivalence means, lol. it's perfectly fair to point out war crimes committed by ukraine. it's also perfectly valid to talk about how "western" diplomacy has been a thorn in pootin's eye for very long, since he (wrongly) thinks that it's russia's right to determine what its neighbours are allowed to do, and what not.

if you only ever do that as a "reaction" to someone pointing out russian transgressions, war crimes, massacres - if you constantly resort to simplistic "well ukrainians aren't perfect either - both sides carry blame" in order to play down those atrocities, in order to suggest therefore it'd be wrong to take a side, you're not being "fair and balanced", you're being a useful idiot / propagandist, and your moral compass is way off.

let's remember a major distinction here: it is russia that decided to invade their democratic neighbours. it is russia that has been shelling civilian infrastructure (including maternity wards, schools, orphanages...) from the very beginning. it is russia that started a massive war, leading to the death of thousands of innocent people, the destruction of major cities, the displacement of millions, and unspeakable suffering. constantly trying to "bothsides" this war is absurd.


someone breaks into a house, rapes and murders the wife and kids. the husband manages to grab the attacker's gun and shoots them in the head. people like goon-shill and ferdia are the edgelords who go "well shooting people in the head is illegal, i'm not taking a side here, they are both in the wrong - all violence is bad, mkay?"

You're such a simp, lol

This entire war could've been avoided but you guys just had to wave EU flags and make promises during Euromaidan revolution, talking about poking the bear, lol. You woke clowns are hopeless SMH.

*shrugs* there is your answer i guess ?