Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 26 Sep 2023 15:49)
Well let's rationalize this. You believe they knew he was SS.
So what do they have to gain from bringing this dude. An opportunist round of applause and very minor boost of propaganda.
Versus what did they have to lose if people found out who he was.
A massive gaffe that embarrassed both nations and leaders. Giving propaganda potential to Russia that feed into their false de nazification rhetoric.
Also considering a simple google could have provided information so it's not as if the media would struggle to find out who he was.
Does that seem like a risk worth taking for so little gain?
I doubt it.
Doesn't it seem more likely that the dude fucked up?
Don't you think if they truly did a good job of vetting the guy it would clearly be poor judgement to bring him out?
Also it's not realistic to expect people to immediately make thay connection and walk out after literally seeing the dude for the first time. Especially if as you say, "they knew" he was SS, wouldn't they go to lengths to hide that fact?
So it would be even less obvious to people. Politicians are dumb ^^
I understand its convenient to say all those in attendance would be complicit but its a 100% a stretch.
Poor taste imo to suggest Russians have no choice but to torture people to death.
Also a mistake to link those murders that happened over the past 18 months to some political gaffe that happened this week, as if the gaffe was some kind of justification.
People always have a choice. Most often people will choose the path of least resistance.
Russians generally are choosing the path of least resistance in passively accepting Putins war; As opposed to resisting what has been a pointless loss of life for both sides.
Again. I think they knew exactly who that guy was and what he did, but just did not care as they thought that “Ukraine good, Russia bad” rhetoric is enough to erase his past. He did “thank him for his service” as a world war 2 vet fighting against the Russians and did not blink or flinch. He knew exactly what he was saying and who was in the room in front of him. I do not believe this was a simple error.
A good move would be for Israel to investigate this guy in detail and demand his extradition to face justice. Although I’m not sure Canada extradites their own citizens.
Im not sure why you are getting fixated on the whole torturing part. This is a standard playbook (and very barbaric at that) in any war and some countries go at extreme lengths to make torture of POWs legal under their democratic laws organizing unofficial detention centers in allied or third party countries and holding non-combatants without trial for decades. Does that justify Russians or Ukrainians torturing POWs? No. Does this happen? Unfortunately yes and it should be thoroughly investigated and condemned every time.
I do not understand the whole “removing the dictator” rhetoric. None of the democratic (or authoritarian for that reason) countries removed their leaders over illegal invasions or gross human rights violations so why should Russians? Do special rules apply to them? NATO can come and get him like they removed Gadaffi or Hussein if they are so fixated on removing a legitimate president of a sovereign country.
This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 26 2023 09:02am