I am very disagree with this kind of vague "butt all countries have a dark past" shortcut.
The protagonists are precisely the soviet union and ukraine here, and a dictator: Staline. Today we have the exact same scheme: Putin as a great dictator trying maintain by force Ukraine under its control.
This is very worrying.

It's odd you bring up holodomor, which has routinely been rationalized at best, or outright denied at worst, in many leftoid circles for decades. Much like the Armenian genocide. One of those genocides that are bigger but somehow less important than the holocaust.

Leftoids hu ? let's generalize to Hitler representing the "Rightoids" then. It's easy to fart buzzwords.

Yes because shooting civilians is ok. Or justified.
Loser

How about apaches turning Iraqi civilians in a pulp, I can dig up some Wikileaks vids for ya. Ohwait was justified and they're your heroes ofc

Hypocrites

If you were to say that both the pro-Hadi Yemeni coalition and Houthis are bad dudes who commit war crimes, or you were to say that Al Qaeda, ISIS, other Sunni militias and Assad's regime are all bad guys, or you were to say America's tribal allies in Afghanistan and the Taliban were both bad guys, nobody will pitch a fit. Most people would agree, well not most in general, but of the ones who have a clue who any of those groups are. Now given that Ukraine and Russia have both been historic kleptocratic states risen from the ashes of centuries of brutal conflicts and disasters and repression, and we've seen reasonably clear proof that both sides of this war have engaged in war crimes and atrocities, and we know Russia is waging a war of aggression and killing civilians and we know Ukraine has violated the Geneva Conventions and has a battalion of actual Nazis- why, oh why, does it make people so irrationally angry if you say both sides are bad?

My entire post read as follows and i have highlighted the key part.



name the 10 largest countries and see how far you get re: angelic past.

i.e. dark past?

Russia - Yes
Canada - Yes
China - Yes
USA - Yes
Brazil - Yes
Australia - Yes
India - Yes
Argentina - Yes/No (sry i dont know much about argentina)
Kazakhstan - Yes
Algeria - Yes

Ill add in DR Congo as well at #11 - Yes

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 7 2022 02:16am

I dunno, Canada's biggest scandal right now is that well-intentioned nuns thought they were serving the native population by giving them a modern education for their own benefit, who at the time were considered humanitarian volunteers but now are evil genocide perpetrators because lul

I like canada. but europeans did colonise it and it was not empty when they got there. there is enough in the media on this country for you to make up your own mind. my entire argument is, while you can refer to stalin historically in russia and say here look how bad russia is, the fact is there have been attrocities going on throughout the world for some time. our resident toxic poster (thats fender) posted this image and its actually quite apt and relevant at this time - some people truly see the world in black and white and dont even understand how we got here.



This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 7 2022 02:14am

its all a bit relative. North America was incredibly underpopulated compared to the rest of the world. Canada was mostly empty when they got there
before colonization, the entire population of all first nations tribes in the canadian regions is estimated to be somewhere around what Wichita Kansas has today in its city limits. About 350k most likely, 200-500k, and dropped to 100k after being exposed to smallpox.
to put it into context, its estimated that in the year 1500, china had 100 million, the roman empire had 23 million, some asian and indian empires had 15-20 million each, france 16 million, incas were 12 million, aztec 6 million, and canada maybe had 300k. The republic of florence had something near to 100 people per square mile, canada had about 0.1 people per square mile