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Sep 25 2023 05:46am
Quote (Meanwhile @ 25 Sep 2023 13:17)
You means when you said that "ruscism" was a racist term ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruscism

Ruscism
This article is about the contemporary syncretic ideology of Russia. For the 1930–1940s Russian fascism, see Russian Fascist Party. For the political ideology of Vladimir Putin, see Putinism.
Not to be confused with Racism or Russianism.


=> You REFUSED to admit it by quitting discussion.


Is it divisive ? Not that much when I see the bunch of copium over "Ukrainians Naziiisss", while digging holes in Bucha...

I would call it; - A necessary correction / reminder -


Embarrassing really.

Trying to prove Waffen SS did nothing wrong.

Wow.

Why are you like that pierre?
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Sep 25 2023 05:47am
Quote (Malopox @ 25 Sep 2023 13:46)
Embarrassing really.
Trying to prove Waffen SS did nothing wrong.
Wow.
Why are you like that pierre?


Ruscist bad faith at it, again.
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Sep 25 2023 05:58am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 25 2023 08:47am)
Ruscist bad faith at it, again.

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Sep 25 2023 06:05am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 25 2023 06:13am)
Mostly agree with what your saying and I do see why Jews or anyone could be offended by honouring the dude. I think its a gaffe that didn't need to happen really, dunno why Trudeau would organise that without realising this potential backlash.

I would say that it is convenient to connect that dude with the crimes of Nazi Germany and the SS because he clearly volunteered to fight with them against the Soviets; I don't think it would ever be that simple in reality.
I could be wrong but I doubt the SS were providing manifestos to potential recruits explaining how they will be gassing people in exacting their final solution.
Equally possible the guy could have known perfectly well.

I still think it's fair to assume an Ukrainian given the chance to fight against the Soviets around 1941 would have been highly motivated by the recent genocide of some 5 million Ukrainians by the Soviets.
And been willing to accept that the third reich were sadists but the lesser of two evils at that moment, from their perspective.
That is just speculation of course, but reasonable nonetheless.

At the very least its a gaffe from Zelensky and Trudeau, one that could offend alot of people.
And not something any critics of Zelensky or Trudeau would ever pass up as an opportunity to exploit.


The waffen SS in Ukraine were carrying out some of the worst atrocities of the whole holocaust and eastern front in general, with about a million jews and three million slavs, gypsies and poles all murdered mostly by Nazi-organized Ukrainian nationalists and militia like this guy, the Bandera types. There's a western bias in media and popular culture to emphasize the western front and atrocities more visible to the folks who made hollywood movies about it, but the worst of the worst Nazis were militias and cooperators on the eastern front. The 100,000+ massacred in one mass grave in Kiev or those in Odessa didn't reach the concentration camps. And who was carrying out that butchery? The local SS units.

I mean, these guys were the bad Nazis, a distinction we aren't supposed to have to make these days
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34 officers ?? wtf ! :o

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Sep 25 2023 06:40am
How stupid are the people? I always thought that most politicians rise to the top because they are cunning, good critical thinkers, etc. Is the calculus non-existent in their heads? They could have just seal-clapped for Zelensky like they usually do instead of bringing additional props that I'm sure they understood the risks.

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How stupid are the people? I always thought that most politicians rise to the top because they are cunning, good critical thinkers, etc. Is the calculus non-existent in their heads? They could have just seal-clapped for Zelensky like they usually do instead of bringing additional props that I'm sure they understood the risks.


Anyone who would’ve spent more than 30 seconds thinking about that introduction by Mr Rota would’ve come to the conclusion that this guy was fighting for the Germans and you should get the fuck out before you are on video next to this guy. I wonder what these MPs grandfathers murdered by Waffen SS would have said if they saw their grandkids thanking Waffen SS veteran “for his service”.

I think these MPs are dumb as fuck and didn’t think this through and just went along with it because current sentiment is: “Ukraine good, Russia bad”.

Monumental fuckup.



This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 25 2023 08:07am
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Some Parliament staffer fucked up...

All politicians rely on staffers to do stuff for them. From booking hotel rooms, calling journalists, finding a pizza place open at 3 AM all the way to filling up political rallies with random people so the place looks packed...

Political staffers are the ones who call local notables so the politician has someone to take pictures with when he visits the area... Local mayors, local athletes, local volunteers, successful businessmen; any sort of person whose name resonates for people in the area or who have something of a claim to fame.

To stand in the visitor's gallery, all those people needed a pass, a sort of invitation

Those invitations are made available to MPs of all parties who then ask their staffers to find people of some importance or repute to fill those seats, every MP jockeying to attract the most remarquable guest.

Political staffers then use whatever means to find those guests. Could be a post on their social media, could be reaching out to local staffers who know the MP's riding well enough, could be by calling the local Legion or the local newspaper...

What probably happened

A call went out for people to be guests at Parliament during Zelenskyy's visit, probably with a priority given to anyone who had a link to Ukraine... Ukrainian refugee, Ukrainian-Canadian, Ukrainian celebrity, Ukrainian athlete...

Maybe some guy called in saying that his 98 yo grandfather was a Ukrainian war hero who fought against the Communists.

Since that guy checked many boxes : Ukrainian, War Hero, elderly (because people love to applaud elderly people), immigrant who choose Canada, father, grandfather and great-grandfather of many Ukrainian-Canadian descendants... The staffer probably thought he/she just hit the ultimate jackpot.

Because most political staffers are marketing / communications people and not historians, they did not know and could not possibly know, because we don't teach history in Canada anymore, about the history of Ukraine during WWII and how partisans joined the ranks of the Waffen SS.

So, anyway, the staffer thinking the man was an incredible find told her boss, the MP who just trusted the staffer did his/her due diligence, probably was happy to tell his colleagues that maybe the House should "make a gesture" to recognize this war hero who choose Canada to raise a family, this man with this "incredible story".

Most political staffers are not usually mental giants, just very good at obeying orders and opportunistic in finding photo ops.

It is crazy how most people know virtually nothing outside their job, general knowledge about history or science is not as widespread as we would like to think. Yet those people manage to function in society and do pretty good for themselves while super knowledgeable people tend to struggle... Go figure...

So to expect a political staffer to know anything at all about World War II is asking for a miracle.

North Bay, Ontario

According to my research, Hunka lives in North Bay, Ontario, so the person responsible is probably a staffer working for the House of Commons speaker, Anthony Rota, who represents the electoral district of Nipissing—Timiskaming.

Of course Rota should have made his own inquiries, but at the same time, the goal of having political staffers is precisely so the Member of Parliament does not have to do everything himself.

Expect the resignation of a political staffer soon, I don't see how the staffer can avoid the responsibility for this blunder.

If the opposition can get over the fact that, they too, applauded with enthusiasm a former member of the Waffen SS and decide to avenge themselves, they can go after the House Speaker and say that this blunder demonstrates a lack of the qualities expected of the House Speaker and demand his resignation.

Time will tell if the Conservatives or others will find a way to minimize their own humiliation and decide to go after the Speaker.

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