Far out, what war crimes was he found guilty of?
Bona-fide nazi, as opposed to a fake nazi?

Are some Jews upset by Ukrainian ultra nationalism aswell? That's a little rich even for me.

Celebrating people who served in SS and “thanking them for their service” is a bit too much, whether convicted or not.

>Liberal MP claims "Honk Honk" is a secret neonazi code for "Heil Hitler" during the freedom convoy and uses it as justification to persecute her political opponents and strip them of their civil liberties
>Liberal MP gives a standing ovation to a waffen SS officer

Regardless of the record of individual combat units within the Waffen-SS, the entire organisation was declared a criminal organization by the International Military Tribunal during the Nuremberg Trials, except conscripts, who were exempted from that judgement due to being forcibly mobilised.

This old criminal was not a conscript, but a volunteer in 14th Waffen SS corps.

14th Waffen SS was complicit in indiscriminate massacres against Jews, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, and Soviet Partisans during their operation and collaboration with the SS and the Nazis.

He and his comrades were declared criminal by the Nuremberg Trials yet he escaped prosecution through protection by the Canadians and went on to live out a peaceful life surrounded by family, kids and grandchildren in Canada. Unlike his victims who were left rotting nameless in ditches.

How tragic.

“Dedo”.




This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 25 2023 01:35am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)#The_Canadian_Desch%C3%AAnes_Commission

The Galicia Division (14. Waffen grenadier division der SS [gal. #1]) should not be indicted as a group. The members of Galicia Division were individually screened for security purposes before admission to Canada. Charges of war crimes of Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred, or in 1984 when they were renewed, or before this Commission. Further, in the absence of evidence of participation or knowledge of specific war crimes, mere membership in the Galicia Division is insufficient to justify prosecution.[55]

The commission considered the International Military Tribunal's verdict at the Nuremberg Trials, at which the entire Waffen-SS organisation was declared a "criminal organization" guilty of war crimes.[56] Also, in its conclusion, the Deschênes Commission only referred to the division as 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (Galizische Nr.1), but rejected such a principle.

"Their behavior [that of the ancient Waffen SS] since they came to this country [Canada] was good and they have never indicated in any way what they had been infected with the Nazi ideology [...] It seems that they had been volunteer to fight against the Red Army for nationalist reasons which experienced a strong impetus caused by the behavior of the Soviet authorities during the occupation [in 1939] of the Western part of Ukraine after the signing of the German-Soviet pact »

==> If you are assimilating things so easiy to the nazis...

I think the next step will be to talk about Staline's Red Army crimes ... Or about current propagandists who made calls to exterminate Ukrainians if they do not surrender ...

Imho it's not new: Ruscists accusing others of what hey are doing.

Waffen SS were convicted as a whole, exception is only made for conscripts.

He had a choice not to murder die untermenschen and he made his choice.

The fact that he stopped murdering Jews after Nazis were defeated and played it quiet and safe for decades doesn’t absolve him from Nazi horrors (even if by association). No one should thank him for his service.

The fact that a lot of SS criminals managed to escape didn’t help them as Mossad continued to hunt the most notorious ones and kidnap them around the world to serve them justice they evaded:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-mossad-hunt-for-nazis

This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 25 2023 02:10am

I posted all the necessary information in the previous post: he Galicia Division (14. Waffen grenadier division der SS [gal. #1]) should not be indicted as a group. (Source wikipedia)

Yeah, it's embarassing... I think we should now talk about Staline's red army "performance" regarding what they did to non-german non-nazi people... Wait... What I read ??

Mass crimes under Stalin (1930-1953)
In total, 1,244,000 people (265,000 families) were deported during this “third wave” of “dekulakization”, mainly to the Urals, Western Siberia, the Northern Region and Kazakhstan.

It's pretty clear: it was almost entirely people who just wanted to fight Staline's horror so they picked a side. And you know it.

I wouldn't disagree with that.
The obvious caveat would be any Ukrainian fighting against the Soviets in ww2 probably did so not because they supported the Nazi cause, although that is possible but likely because the Soviets were responsible for a genocide in Ukraine a decade prior. And to fight against them made sense as the lesser of two evils in their position.

Also that in hindsight and without the fog of war it is convienient to hold one soldier responsible for the full array of Nazi atrocities; Even though the individual does not stand guilty of any crimes.

Some truely important information:

A Kremlin insider source claimed that Putin reportedly gave Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu a deadline of one month until early October 2023 to improve the situation on the frontlines, stop Ukrainian counteroffensives, and have Russian forces regain the initiative to launch an offensive operation against a larger city.[32] The insider‘s claim, if true, may indicate that the Russian military command may be ordering relentless counterattacks in hopes of forcing the Ukrainian counteroffensive to culminate, even at a high cost to Russian military capabilities.

(source: ISW)

Do you read your own Wikipedia links?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desch%C3%AAnes_Commission

Pathetic as always. Embarrassing yourself yet again pierre?



I cannot fathom how desperately you trying to cope by trying to deflect the discussion elsewhere.

And you are the guy trying to accuse people of whataboutism?

This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 25 2023 03:00am