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Sep 24 2023 11:46am
Quote (fender @ Sep 24 2023 02:18pm)
imagine trying to downplay the obvious genocide going on in china...

Lol feel like I've heard this song before
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Sep 24 2023 12:37pm
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Uighurs were your sworn enemy until 2020. Jihadists, terrorists, separatists.

Instead of bombing them to pieces with Hellfire Predator drone missiles like NATO did, Chinese are trying a different way - to forcibly assimilate and integrate them into their society.

Why is bombing them to pieces better than trying to integrate/assimilate?

It’s their territory after all just like Karabakh is Azerbaijan so all these 120000 Armenians had to fuck off from the land where their grandfathers and grandgrandfathers are buried.



Chinese victory, no drama, which sucks, but it was their borders anyway.


If Russia had been capable of providing its security guarantees to Armenia, perhaps it would have been different.
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Sep 24 2023 12:52pm
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If Russia had been capable of providing its security guarantees to Armenia, perhaps it would have been different.


They do provide security guarantee to Armenia through OSCE.

But not to Artsakh which is not recognized by anyone as independent including, funnily enough, Armenia. Russian Federation recognizes Nagorny-Karabakh / Artsakh as Azerbaijan territory.

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Armenia does not officially recognize the sovereign status of Artsakh. Armenia's government has stated that it would unilaterally recognize Artsakh only as an option of last resort to be used only if Azerbaijan resorted to military activity.


They didn’t recnognize it now and it seems it will be forever gone.
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Sep 24 2023 02:07pm
Quote (Malopox @ Sep 24 2023 07:52pm)
They do provide security guarantee to Armenia through OSCE.

But not to Artsakh which is not recognized by anyone as independent including, funnily enough, Armenia. Russian Federation recognizes Nagorny-Karabakh / Artsakh as Azerbaijan territory.



They didn’t recnognize it now and it seems it will be forever gone.


While that is true. Russian peacekeepers have been in Nagorny-Karabakh since 2020. They failed to keep the peace.

Perhaps keeping the peace is above their station.
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Sep 24 2023 02:21pm
Quote (Malopox @ 24 Sep 2023 19:20)
imagine trying to downplay the obvious genocide going on in Karabakh...


who does though? i only see the chinese drunkard and other low-info idiots trying to downplay china's genocide...
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Sep 24 2023 03:57pm
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While that is true. Russian peacekeepers have been in Nagorny-Karabakh since 2020. They failed to keep the peace.

Perhaps keeping the peace is above their station.


Framing this as a Russian failure is pretty low IQ. I know you're just parroting the language of what western MSM says which basically frames everything Russia does as a failure but think about it for a second.

There are dozens of examples where the UN or other countries have 'failed' to keep a peace in some peace-keeper role ranging from UK, France, US, many others. It's been happening many times all across Africa. It goes something like this: there's some peace keepers from country/organization A. Usually there's like a handful of them and even if they wanted to stop something they would get overwhelmed by the actual attackers in the immediate. So what does 'stopping' it actually mean in this case? Well it means that when the Azeris moved and started firing on Armenian ethnics in Nagorno, the Russians would fire back. Now that's completely unrealistic because then it would create a much bigger problem and headache in the region.

In reality these are small contingent forces which are very limited and almost always in defensive postures. Go watch Hotel Rwanda to give you an example of how effective the UN was at defending anyone. It's dramatization but one of the better illustrations how much power these peace keepers actually have.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 24 2023 03:59pm
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In other news:

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OTTAWA - Several Jewish advocacy organizations condemned members of Parliament on Sunday for giving a standing ovation to a man who fought for a Nazi unit during the Second World War.
During Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's visit to Ottawa on Friday, MPs honoured 98-year-old Yaroslav Hunka in the House of Commons.

"He is a Ukrainian hero, a Canadian hero, and we thank him for all his service."

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MPs cheered and Zelenskyy raised his fist in acknowledgement as Hunka saluted from the gallery during two separate standing ovations.

The First Ukrainian Division was also known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division or the SS 14th Waffen Division, a voluntary unit that was under the command of the Nazis.

The Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies issued a statement Sunday(opens in a new tab) saying the division "was responsible for the mass murder of innocent civilians with a level of brutality and malice that is unimaginable."

"An apology is owed to every Holocaust survivor and veteran of the Second World War who fought the Nazis, and an explanation must be provided as to how this individual entered the hallowed halls of Canadian Parliament and received recognition from the Speaker of the House and a standing ovation," the statement said.

B'nai Brith Canada CEO Michael Mostyn said it is beyond outrageous that Parliament honoured a former member of a Nazi unit, saying Ukrainian "ultra-nationalist ideologues" who volunteered for the Galicia Division "dreamed of an ethnically homogenous Ukrainian state and endorsed the idea of ethnic cleansing."

"We understand an apology is forthcoming. We expect a meaningful apology. Parliament owes an apology to all Canadians for this outrage, and a detailed explanation as to how this could possibly have taken place at the centre of Canadian democracy," Mostyn said.

The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, which represents Jewish federations across the country, said it is deeply troubled by the incident.

"Canada's Jewish community stands firmly with Ukraine in its war against Russian aggression. But we can't stay silent when crimes committed by Ukrainians during the Holocaust are whitewashed," the group said in a statement published Sunday on X, formerly known as Twitter.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/jewish-group-demands-apology-after-mps-honoured-man-who-fought-for-nazis-1.6575593


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Sep 24 2023 05:20pm
Clever guy with big western quality copium over Russia or China ... But...




There are significant economic, political, and societal breakdowns happening in CCP_China, which have been missed due to all the noise in the past five years. The Chinese government has removed certain data collection to prevent anyone from rising to national prominence, and the information vacuum out of CCP_China is so complete that we might not realize that CCP_China is broken until the product simply stops arriving. The biggest risk is whether we have enough time to adapt, and we are almost certainly going to see disruptions in CCP_China's ability to access the wider world.
The birth rate in CCP_China has dropped by nearly 70% since 2017, which is the fastest drop in the historical record.
Demographically speaking, this is CCP_China's final decade as a coherent economic power. We might not all realize that CCP_China really is broken until the products simply stops arriving.
The only way to avoid shortage is to build more and make sure that we don't need those products in the first place. Unfortunately many of chinese products are necessary, and there is no real way around that except to start building as soon as possible.


Link with Ukraine? CCP_China could have welcomed a success but is now embarrassed, disturbed, by Putin's special operation failure. Collaboration with Russia has clear limitations despite the "unlimited friendship".
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Sep 24 2023 11:53pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 24 2023 10:57pm)
Framing this as a Russian failure is pretty low IQ. I know you're just parroting the language of what western MSM says which basically frames everything Russia does as a failure but think about it for a second.

There are dozens of examples where the UN or other countries have 'failed' to keep a peace in some peace-keeper role ranging from UK, France, US, many others. It's been happening many times all across Africa. It goes something like this: there's some peace keepers from country/organization A. Usually there's like a handful of them and even if they wanted to stop something they would get overwhelmed by the actual attackers in the immediate. So what does 'stopping' it actually mean in this case? Well it means that when the Azeris moved and started firing on Armenian ethnics in Nagorno, the Russians would fire back. Now that's completely unrealistic because then it would create a much bigger problem and headache in the region.

In reality these are small contingent forces which are very limited and almost always in defensive postures. Go watch Hotel Rwanda to give you an example of how effective the UN was at defending anyone. It's dramatization but one of the better illustrations how much power these peace keepers actually have.


Your contradicting yourself or you're being dishonest.

As you've said peacekeeping missions often fail to keep the peace.
Russia had a peacekeeping force in the precise region where there is no longer a peaceful situation.

But in your view this doesn't equate to Russia failed to keep the peace?
Why is that?
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Sep 25 2023 12:00am
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Looks like this is getting traction in Canada. Trudeau had to dump this on the speaker of the parliament.

They seemed bona fide happy to celebrate a former Nazi for “his service”.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66908958.amp

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At one point, Mr Rota pointed to Mr Hunka who sat in the gallery, saying the man was "a Ukrainian hero, a Canadian hero, and we thank him for all his service".
Those present in the building responded with applause.
During World War Two, Mr Hunka served in the 14th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division, also known as the Galicia Division - a voluntary unit made up mostly of ethnic Ukrainians under Nazi command.
Division members are accused of killing Polish and Jewish civilians, although the unit has not been found guilty of any war crimes by a tribunal.


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