to be clear: one cant lift sanctions except as a bargaining chip at the table.

ultimately there is zero trust between Ukraine and Russia and therefore the peace talks a pipedream.
if you want a credible option for POTUS - changing the narrative would be a good place to start.



its not the rainforests but rather the lack of vision of Brazils leader(s) that holds them back. the same applies to China. As I mentioned before, China has a guiding hand in their current leader and it remains to be seen if they will continue on the current path after he is gone. This is a valid point noting china political makeup leaves the door open for them to self implode. I would have thought that America is more stable but recent events is quite worrying (remember, when i refer to recent events i mean in the last 15+ years). also by recent events I mean the deep chasm between the 2 parties (instigated/championed to my mind by whats his name, mitch mcconnell).

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 6 2022 02:39pm

Even without trust, peace talks don't need to be a pipedream if the realities on the ground give both sides enough of an incentive to seek a diplomatic rather than a military solution.

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How would you change the narrative?

I would recognise Russia concerns re: Nato.

Wouldn't this, in effect, amount to condoning the "Putin doctrine" of the "limited sovereignty of Russia's neighbors"?
Ukraine is already offering neutrality and renouncing its NATO ambitions as a bargaining chip for peace talks, so it's not like there currently is zero consideration for Russia's NATO concerns...

to clarify: your not condoning the war, you are taking into account the other sides point of view. The sooner this is on the airwaves (regularly) the sooner people will pause, the sooner people will pause the sooner a diplomatic solution can be found. instead we see finland looking likely to join nato in the next 8 months. that is going to honestly drive putin demented. you dont have to condone Putin doctrine, just just have to understand it and legislate for it / plan around it / plan with it in mind.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 6 2022 02:44pm

My point is that the Russian side will only come to the table once its military campaign has either succeeded or been stopped. Imho, as long as Putin thinks he can conquer the Donbass, no amount of diplomatic concessions will cause him to pause.

tend to agree.

If anyone has any previous examples of situations like this in world history, feel free to post them here.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 6 2022 02:46pm

They made it a crime to spread deliberate disinformation about Russian military operations. This law was not aimed at random citizens, but at the former mainstream media outlets in Russia which have now left (another massive win for them.)

If I spread fakes about how US marines were raping babies in Baghdad, and went to great lengths to produce such a believable fake, and it got hundreds of thousands of views, do you think I would get off scot free? Doubtful.

also, by the "rest of the free world" you must mean every country except Ukraine, where you can be tortured and executed merely for expressing a favorable view about Russia, and where somebody like me would be sadistically and slowly tortured to death for my views.

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Apr 6 2022 03:07pm

Calling Russia's actions in Ukraine an "invasion" rather than a "special military operation" is not disinformation, it's the plain truth.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 6 2022 03:10pm