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Jan 29 2019 01:10pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Jan 29 2019 01:03pm)
Lolwut? The Benghazi investigation ran longer than the Trump-Russia one currently has. And Clinton was the focus of it.


was that before or after we were always at war with East Asia?

wow, the doublethink..... 15 min interview vs 2 years of trump? eeeeeeeeeeeek
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Jan 29 2019 01:20pm
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i'll answer on behalf of us cultists. it's a lot bigger a subject than something easily written. i'll give you the jist, but if you are actually curious... go watch those SC interviews including Wray/Rosenstein, Strzok.


I've watched or listened to a lot of that testimony. I didn't find it edifying.

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it was the IG's report on the handling of the clinton and trump cases in the fbi. it ended with a very odd choice of words (that msm twisted a bit more to deny everything), but everything stated in the report itself had found numerous issues with the handling of the clinton case and start of the trump case.
hilary was interviewed by peter strzok, but strzok called ahead of time and suggested wiping data from hard drives.(this is not the only issue with this just 1 example)


@bold: What? You'll have to explain that more.

I'm not sure what the FBI did wrong or improper in the Hillary investigation, absent Comey's press conference. Strzok and Page aren't at the FBI anymore because they texted some inappropriate things... had they used their private phones, they would still work for the FBI. There's the question of the Weiner laptop and reopening the investigation timing... it's not clear to me what happened there. I'm sure Goom will write a book as a response and let us know.

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in short though, hilary got super special treatment for actual crimes that got swept out and ones that was never looked into. she was even charged in a circumstance, but fbi met with her lawyers to change the charge. i'll have to get back about which specific charge it was, but i remember it meant the same thing. only 1 was a criminal charge and 1 wasn't.
i'd also like to remind you that the kick-start to this investigation against trump was paid for by the clinton foundation. (that alone is pretty messed up giving the circumstance they were both running at that time)


It's not clear to me if what Hillary did was a crime. Reasonable people can disagree on that. If Comey thought it was a reasonable case, I think he would have brought it.

You're making a lot of vague claims. Hillary was charged, and then she wasn't? Provide a link of what you're talking about.

The Russia investigation started when an Australian diplomat tipped off the FBI that a Trump campaign aide was talking about Russia having hacked Hillary emails. Furthermore, even if we assume the Steele dossier was the only evidence for the Carter Page FISA(which is not true), it was after Page left the campaign.

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trump is also current standing president. you might not like it, but you can't just drag him on investigations whenever you feel like it. if that was the case, dems would keep him in a court-like setting his full term.
if evidence was found of "trump" rigging the voting system in an astronomical way that stole the election, he wouldn't be keeping his seat.

in fairness though. hilary had a 15minute fbi investigation on her. trump has had 2 years with an investigation still on-going. so you could ask why the fbi didn't bother actually investigating her.


Trump spends hours every day watching television, and golfs on the weekends. It's absurd that he can't sit down for 8 hours with the FBI to do an interview.

The FBI investigated Hillary for over a year. And the Russia investigation has many more threads, so it's understandable it would take much longer.

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Jan 29 2019 01:21pm
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Lolwut? The Benghazi investigation ran longer than the Trump-Russia one currently has. And Clinton was the focus of it.

benghazi is separate from the server investigation.
still, you are mistaking the special council for the FBI. the SC is doing what the FBI didn't. just like i was stating.

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I've watched or listened to a lot of that testimony. I didn't find it edifying.



@bold: What? You'll have to explain that more.

I'm not sure what the FBI did wrong or improper in the Hillary investigation, absent Comey's press conference. Strzok and Page aren't at the FBI anymore because they texted some inappropriate things... had they used their private phones, they would still work for the FBI. There's the question of the Weiner laptop and reopening the investigation timing... it's not clear to me what happened there. I'm sure Goom will write a book as a response and let us know.



It's not clear to me what Hillary did was a crime. Reasonable people can disagree on that. If Comey thought it was a reasonable case, I think he would have brought it.

You're making a lot of vague claims. Hillary was charged, and then she wasn't? Provide a link of what you're talking about.

The Russia investigation started when an Australian diplomat tipped off the FBI that a Trump campaign aide was talking about Russia having hacked emails. Furthermore, even if we assume the Steele dossier was the only evidence for the Carter Page FISA(which is not true), it was after Page left the campaign.



Trump spends hours every day watching television, and golfs on the weekends. It's absurd that he can't sit down for 8 hours with the FBI to do an interview.

The FBI investigated Hillary for over a year. And the Russia investigation has many more threads, so it's understandable it would take much longer.

i stated it would be, but i doubt you've actually watched these full hearings outside of some CNN/FOX clips to suggest what you are.
all 3 of these interviews are ~11 hours each. (stzrok had 2)

holding top secret confidential information on a private server, and giving access of this info to other people is a crime.
i'll give you something in better detail later. unless you just want some easy google links

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Jan 29 2019 01:23pm
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benghazi is separate from the server investigation.
still, you are mistaking the special council for the FBI. the SC is doing what the FBI didn't. just like i was stating.


Funny how a "15-minute FBI investigation" became the October surprise that cost her the election.
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Funny how a "15-minute FBI investigation" became the October surprise that cost her the election.

nice one!
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Jan 29 2019 01:30pm
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nice one!


Tell that to Nate Silver: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
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Jan 29 2019 01:36pm
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i stated it would be, but i doubt you've actually watched these full hearings outside of some CNN/FOX clips to suggest what you are.
all 3 of these interviews are ~11 hours each. (stzrok had 2)

holding top secret confidential information on a private server, and giving access of this info to other people is a crime.
i'll give you something in better detail later. unless you just want some easy google links


I usually have them on in the background at work... so I do listen to a lot of it. It's just political theater... virtually no Republican there is trying to figure anything out in good faith.

The team Comey had on the Hillary investigation unanimously agreed that no charges should be brought. There's legal arguments going both ways on whether Comey made the right decision... I believe he did.

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I usually have them on in the background at work... so I do listen to a lot of it. It's just political theater... virtually no Republican there is trying to figure anything out in good faith.

The team Comey had on the Hillary investigation unanimously agreed that no charges should be brought. There's legal arguments going both ways on whether Comey made the right decision... I believe he did.

the republicans actually had very reasonable questions. there is also a reason for repeating the same question and drilling someone. that's how lawyers get you to say things you might not have wanted to.
like strzok did when talking to jordan on the second round of questioning on the second day. anyway, let's go to some links.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/A_Review_of_Various_Actions_by_the_FBI_and_DOJ_in_Advance_of_the_2016_Election.pdf
the IG report. it is a very long read. take 10 minutes and read the first 7 pages slowly. (this explains what the "IG" was looking for and what was found around the "midyear" case) it also describes the use of some of it's words, and explains in increasing detail of how and why comey would make clinton look better than she was at that point.
this is "not" our full scope of info now, but this is the beginning. i'm going to quote the section of why you need to read pages further to better understand findings.
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If a choice made by the investigative team was among two or more reasonable alternatives, we did not find that it was improper even if we believed that an alternative decision would have been more effective.
Thus, a determination by the OIG that a decision was not unreasonable does not mean that the OIG has endorsed the decision or concluded that the decision was the most effective among the options considered. We took this approach because our role as an OIG is not to second-guess valid discretionary judgments made during the course of an investigation, and this approach is consistent with the OIG’s handling of such questions in past reviews.


i'm also adding that "strzok" was on that team. the IG goes into that too a little bit in those 7 pages

and another edit, i have to look a bit further, but i believe this may be what i was mentioning with a "crime turning non-crime".
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The description of Clinton’s handling of classified information was changed from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless;”


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Jan 30 2019 12:38am
Russian investigation is like what ? 30 indictments ? compare it with the ZERO from old Hillary stuff...
It's just ridiculous to compare both investigations, why deflecting ?

The only question is how long and who's the next...
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Jan 30 2019 03:56am
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fmr-fed-prosecutor-whitakers-statement-on-mueller-probe-was-rookie-level-mistake/

Pretty agree about Whitaker statements: he killed himself, politically, with such low move.

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