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Sep 19 2023 10:10pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 19 2023 11:45pm)
I mean I acknowledge historically speaking, countries like Russia and it's former forms i.e. Russian Empire, and so on were oppressive. They often mistreated and subjugated various minorities but if we have an honest look at history, that is true of almost every empire or majority. To highlight how they mistreated ethnic indigenous people in their country from the US, is throwing stones from a glass house. Fact of the matter is they still have about ~2 million ethnic Siberians (non-Slavs) and millions of various Caucasus non Slavs that are relatively integrated. We also have that whole slavery stain in our history-- so again i'd chill on the whole pointing at the speck in someone's eye while we have a two by four sticking out of ours.

Just kind of funny how in 'we were always at war with east Asia' Orwellian fashion we are re-writing history to how our current geopolitical enemies committed genocides left and right while not having even the remotest self-awareness of how the collective west has plenty of sins, whether it's how natives were treated or how Africans through slavery or how most continents were basically stripped by the Spaniards, Anglo-Saxons and French.


Not familiar of the oppression you refer to, can you elaborate?

2nd paragraph- I agree- all nations must not judge lest they be judged…can’t say much about Indians…but as for the Africans- that’s a different topic…

Ukrainians- here’s my insight- let’s not be fooled…it’s a place of mass corruption. They always had a free state and were overall assisted by Russia for as long as history go. It decided to try and play a hand and went against Russia. Admirable but overall was done in the wrong context and were fooled into doing so by the US. US has always been the instigator.

I don’t argue for Putin or aggression…I have my own view based on my personal experience. Ultimately, the division of people must stop…if the people here that support Ukraine ever actually go look where Zelenskyy started from you’d be shocked.

Try and not see sides…try and see outcomes—-maybe we all can debate that.

1st side- try and see the points fender, proximity and meanwhile make.

2nd side- don’t bicker- if you provide evidence, also read evidence sent over to you. Then let’s see the outcome.


Sources?: if we can’t see it or prove it, it didn’t happen. Best example::::is Progzhin really dead? Really?
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Sep 19 2023 10:16pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 20 Sep 2023 11:45)
I mean I acknowledge historically speaking, countries like Russia and it's former forms i.e. Russian Empire, and so on were oppressive. They often mistreated and subjugated various minorities but if we have an honest look at history, that is true of almost every empire or majority. To highlight how they mistreated ethnic indigenous people in their country from the US, is throwing stones from a glass house. Fact of the matter is they still have about ~2 million ethnic Siberians (non-Slavs) and millions of various Caucasus non Slavs that are relatively integrated. We also have that whole slavery stain in our history-- so again i'd chill on the whole pointing at the speck in someone's eye while we have a two by four sticking out of ours.

Just kind of funny how in 'we were always at war with east Asia' Orwellian fashion we are re-writing history to how our current geopolitical enemies committed genocides left and right while not having even the remotest self-awareness of how the collective west has plenty of sins, whether it's how natives were treated or how Africans through slavery or how most continents were basically stripped by the Spaniards, Anglo-Saxons and French.




Welp....because some people couldn't cope. The history of mankind is riddled with oppression mistreatment of ethnic groups when you have a dominant population of a certain race or color group. This is a fact. Most countries try regulate or curb such incidents from happening , some are successful, some not so and some due to their overzealous push for equality have created reverse racism ( ;) You know what I mean ).

The incessant and constant highlighting in this thread, as you know who are the usual suspects, is basically due to their inability to cope, debate, argue in a clear and succinct manner.
This is a reality check for them. More often than not, when things are not going swimmingly well in their own society , the first thing they do is to point their fingers out and blame others and not look at themselves ( This applies to every nation in the world ).

Individual speaking, every single time we get into a predicament, we always point our fingers at others. Some will point fingers for 24 hours and start to work things out from scratch and turn their lives around. And there are guys who blame others indefinitely.
The only way for this individuals to enjoy succour comfort is to post on Ferdia's thread screaming injustice. Turning liberalism into illiberalism. Because this gives them a sense of self fulfillment and virtuous integrity, delusional I think.

As to why they are not self aware of their own collective past is simply because they think, believe and is adamant they have transcended into an enlighten sphere because they possess a righteous and infallible ideology.
This is where they begin to show their supremacy . A supremacy that they believed they are the savior of the world, the philosopher that have finally unravel the mysteries to a perfect utopian society and framework.

All I can say is this in Hong Kong Cantonese . Watch this short exchange between John Wick and Caine in John Wick 4. Those are the exact words. :lol:



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Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 19 2023 07:56pm)
Each of the cities I mentioned is at least 2x bigger than the biggest reservation in the US. A country genocided it's minority indigenous populations yet somehow they represent 30-60% of cities that are 300- 400k :rofl:

You're out of your element Ricky Bobby.


dude you are making things up. america has a higher percentage of indigenous people as well more in terms of raw numbers. but my point about all of this was about historical acknowledgment and how i do not want the ukrainians do be subjected to any further violence. im just saying russia will rewrite history and deny any wrongdoing during their "special military op" if theyre given the chance. but seeing as you are just an ignorant piece of shit who makes things up i will just say goodbye. plz move to russia if you love it so much


Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 19 2023 08:09pm)
Put that on their face and move on, they don't deserve your time:


https://i.imgur.com/eyUnc.jpeg


good advice and yeee quite an enlightening chart

fun fact tho.... i was wrong about america being the best to its indigenous peoples. bolivia has done the best. but now i know
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Sep 19 2023 10:30pm
Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ 20 Sep 2023 12:16)
dude you are making things up. america has a higher percentage of indigenous people as well more in terms of raw numbers. but my point about all of this was about historical acknowledgment and how i do not want the ukrainians do be subjected to any further violence. im just saying russia will rewrite history and deny any wrongdoing during their "special military op" if theyre given the chance. but seeing as you are just an ignorant piece of shit who makes things up i will just say goodbye. plz move to russia if you love it so much




good advice and yeee quite an enlightening chart

fun fact tho.... i was wrong about america being the best to its indigenous peoples. bolivia has done the best. but now i know


Maybe you should read this particular topic

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=98621216&f=119
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Sep 19 2023 10:38pm
Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ Sep 20 2023 12:16am)
dude you are making things up. america has a higher percentage of indigenous people as well more in terms of raw numbers. but my point about all of this was about historical acknowledgment and how i do not want the ukrainians do be subjected to any further violence. im just saying russia will rewrite history and deny any wrongdoing during their "special military op" if theyre given the chance. but seeing as you are just an ignorant piece of shit who makes things up i will just say goodbye. plz move to russia if you love it so much




good advice and yeee quite an enlightening chart

fun fact tho.... i was wrong about america being the best to its indigenous peoples. bolivia has done the best. but now i know


Live in America…it won’t take you as quick as you think to learn what capitalism is…but once you do, you’ll understand the truth behind it…

I of course think I support Russia…but my wife does not. She lived the majority of her life in Moscow and I in the US. We both think the grass is greener. Live and let live I say…not participating is also an action.

Many people here bring up the Cuban missile crisis. Great example. But if Russia truly made an ally of either country north or south of Americas border, trust me, America wouldn’t blink…good thing Russia didn’t either.

They are neighbors- they should handle it themselves. Ukraine in all honesty sold itself…for something they don’t know for.
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Sep 19 2023 10:43pm
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Live in America…it won’t take you as quick as you think to learn what capitalism is…but once you do, you’ll understand the truth behind it…

I of course think I support Russia…but my wife does not. She lived the majority of her life in Moscow and I in the US. We both think the grass is greener. Live and let live I say…not participating is also an action.

Many people here bring up the Cuban missile crisis. Great example. But if Russia truly made an ally of either country north or south of Americas border, trust me, America wouldn’t blink…good thing Russia didn’t either.

They are neighbors- they should handle it themselves. Ukraine in all honesty sold itself…for something they don’t know for.


Capitalism is great.

Unregulated , Unhinged Capitalism is not.
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Sep 19 2023 10:44pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 19 2023 09:30pm)
Maybe you should read this particular topic

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=98621216&f=119


heheh some good stuff in that thread :D and i mean there theoretically wouldnt be america without france. they helped us kick the british out and then they gave us the best real estate deal in history. we never really paid them back appropriately.... shoulda helped more in ww2, etc. that was our fuck up. we fucked up a lot lol but ya man idk what ur tryin to do here >< i love pretty much anyone and everyone. except when they say theyre ok with others conquering others or denying historical facts.
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Sep 19 2023 10:50pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 20 2023 12:43am)
Capitalism is great.

Unregulated , Unhinged Capitalism is not.


Agreed..
But the control you speak of is idealism…

Call me crazy, but for capitalism to work- copyrighti and IP protection should be removed. Market must be made so people control integrity and name of what they represent.

I’m not saying disturb manufacturing but I am saying maybe create a base requirement for all products prior to being able to market them- this includes anything from food, to clothes, to pharma- you name it. Base stats must be equal and each individual company must offer base product (which would be equal across the board). Capitalism needs to develop a ground zero to function fair.
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Sep 19 2023 10:59pm
Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ 20 Sep 2023 12:44)
heheh some good stuff in that thread :D and i mean there theoretically wouldnt be america without france. they helped us kick the british out and then they gave us the best real estate deal in history. we never really paid them back appropriately.... shoulda helped more in ww2, etc. that was our fuck up. we fucked up a lot lol but ya man idk what ur tryin to do here >< i love pretty much anyone and everyone. except when they say theyre ok with others conquering others or denying historical facts.


I don't think anyone here denys historical facts. I don't think anyone here is ok with one nation conquering another or purposely create a proxy war.

You did mention to to read a book or two. We do read books. And here are some of the books that I read .

You might know some of the authors


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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 19 2023 09:59pm)
I don't think anyone here denys historical facts. I don't think anyone here is ok with one nation conquering another or purposely create a proxy war.

You did mention to ^ofthevoid to read a book or two. We do read books. And here are some of the books that I read .

You might know some of the authors


https://i.imgur.com/hV1qd9fl.jpg


that* guy you mentioned specifically claimed that the russians never committed genocidal acts against the chukchi people, even though they did. thats exactly what denial is.

as for those books.... you clearly arent absorbing as much from chomsky as you should. maybe you should check out more books from the lyeberry. a good exercise i recommend to closeted imperialists like yourself is to read Nietzsche, but try not to think about the nazis while doing so. might blow ur mind

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