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Sep 18 2023 01:31pm
Quote (Malopox @ Sep 18 2023 08:11pm)


Post in the global language :D

And a source, and a sample size.

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Sep 18 2023 01:33pm
Quote (Djunior @ 18 Sep 2023 22:24)
Completely unrelated ^_^

Action should be taken against YOU because 1) you're a racist as this post shows once again and 2) you can't handle debate here without suffering mental breakdowns every single day abusing users here that are debating the conflict

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And at the same time they accuse others of Nazism. Typical Russian propaganda.
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Sep 18 2023 01:33pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 19 Sep 2023 03:30)
The current Italian government is right wing isn't it? They haven't done anything about it

The right can't save Europe IMO, even if a country elected a leader who was brutal enough to actually stop and reverse the problems of mass immigration they would be shunned and sanctioned into oblivion before their policies could even function

Not to mention most western countries are increasingly in need of low wage service/agricultural workers, the right isn't going to kneecap big business by cutting off their supply


No they can't , Giorgia Meloni is too naive and young. She doesn't understand the pressure from NATO / EU is too great.

Poland were quite innovative though. They allow the migrants to come in if they pay xxxx amount of money. And they ship them to Mexico.
So the United States are facing even more Border Crisis at the moment.

I take my hats off the Poles.
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Sep 18 2023 01:37pm
Today the trial of Russia for genocide is taking place .But unfortunately, they can only express concern and that’s all. Russia takes advantage of this. Your weakness is its strength
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Sep 18 2023 01:42pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 18 2023 04:33pm)
No they can't , Giorgia Meloni is too naive and young. She doesn't understand the pressure from NATO / EU is too great.

Poland were quite innovative though. They allow the migrants to come in if they pay xxxx amount of money. And they ship them to Mexico.
So the United States are facing even more Border Crisis at the moment.

I take my hats off the Poles.


Yeah the Poles don't mess around when it comes to that stuff lol

I think they did face quite a bit of pressure to allow it but at the moment they are probably in a good position, I doubt the EU will push them as hard on that during the war, and Ukrainian immigrants are probably culturally similar enough (white lol) to not cause too much friction.

The countries where it was allowed to happen are screwed though IMO, can't reverse it and can't let it continue, somethings gotta break

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Sep 18 2023 01:47pm
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Yeah the Poles don't mess around when it comes to that stuff lol

I think they did face quite a bit of pressure to allow it but at the moment they are probably in a good position, I doubt the EU will push them as hard on that during the war, and Ukrainian immigrants are probably culturally similar enough (white lol) to not cause too much friction.

The countries where it was allowed to happen are screwed though IMO, can't reverse it and can't let it continue, somethings gotta break


The sad thing is and always will be, the welcoming arms are ridiculously compassionate during the first and second phase because governmental campaign dictates so.
Once the financial strain and jobs starts to affect the locals, things will inevitably go down south and the Ukrainians will find themselves rather unwelcome.

The Ukrainian government have gotten themselves in a fix that they cannot undo. What I am afraid is, if The West Breaks Faith with Ukraine which is imminent.
The backlash and the aftermath will be rather horrendous.

Remember when the United States help the Mujahedeen chased the " Soviets " away in Afghanistan ?
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Sep 18 2023 01:51pm
look at the photo of tattoos of Utkin, one of the leaders of Wagner. A typical representative of the fight against Nazism. And he himself wears swastikas.
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Sep 18 2023 01:58pm
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The sad thing is and always will be, the welcoming arms are ridiculously compassionate during the first and second phase because governmental campaign dictates so.
Once the financial strain and jobs starts to affect the locals, things will inevitably go down south and the Ukrainians will find themselves rather unwelcome.

The Ukrainian government have gotten themselves in a fix that they cannot undo. What I am afraid is, if The West Breaks Faith with Ukraine which is imminent.
The backlash and the aftermath will be rather horrendous.

Remember when the United States help the Mujahedeen chased the " Soviets " away in Afghanistan ?


Yeah I think it is just human nature to want to help when people are suffering, I'm not against taking in refugees or immigrants but it has to be done sensibly otherwise that is what happens, the people already fleeing a horrible situation end up in another horrible situation, dependant on the state in a country full of people that increasingly view them in a negative light.

I read that if you immigrate to Singapore, where you live is decided by the government in order to avoid certain areas becoming all Chinese/indian/any other group. Not sure if that's accurate or not but if so I think that is a very interesting way of doing things, makes a lot of sense to me.
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Sep 18 2023 02:00pm
Quote (fender @ Sep 18 2023 06:04am)
are you guys genuinely not aware that ukraine has existed BEFORE zelensky? again, those regions are not just acknowledged as ukrainian territories by the international community, but have been so by pootin himself - in various different treaties. military invasion followed by fake referendums, that no one recognises as legitimate, doesn't magically change that.


China existed before the Communist revolution. So please explain to me again why you believe Taiwan belongs to the Chicoms

Zelensky and the Maidan government before him have never held Crimea for even a single minute. They have no legitimate claim to territories they never held, that they could not seize by force despite attempts. They violently overthrew the democratically elected legitimate government in Kiev, that doesn't give them control of the whole region. Just because you shot Jesse James, doesn't make you Jesse James.
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Sep 18 2023 02:09pm
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China existed before the Communist revolution. So please explain to me again why you believe Taiwan belongs to the Chicoms

Zelensky and the Maidan government before him have never held Crimea for even a single minute. They have no legitimate claim to territories they never held, that they could not seize by force despite attempts. They violently overthrew the democratically elected legitimate government in Kiev, that doesn't give them control of the whole region. Just because you shot Jesse James, doesn't make you Jesse James.


Taiwan was never a " Chinese Territory " until late Ming Dynasty when the Manchurian Qing took over. At one time Taiwan belong to the Dutch and the Portuguese I believed as colony.
The Manchurian Qing Dynasty lost to the Japanese and the island was transferred to the Japanese.
The Japanese lost WW2 and it was transferred back to the ROC Government.

Technically speaking Taiwan do not belong to the Chinese Communist Party. But whether it belongs to China is another issue which we need to look at the treaties signed after WW2. I would say Taiwan is put in a rather ambiguous situation and it's sovereignty is not solved.
That being said, he who conquers rules and this applies even in our day and age. But the borders and territories are being drawn after after the second WW and most countries try to stick to that.

If the ROC government who was rather "Pro Western democratic style government " won the Civil War. There will be no kerfuffle when it comes to Tibet , Xinjiang and Taiwan.
Simply because a " ROC" Government will be a strong and robust asset for the US Led West as a Bulwark to contain Russia in the East.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Sep 18 2023 02:13pm
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