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Jul 5 2021 09:41am
2nd shot july 16 :) can't wait to become a zombie :)
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Jul 5 2021 09:43am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 5 2021 10:58am)
I didn't claim that there are no long-term side effects. I said they would be apparent early on. They don't just suddenly appear years down the line.

We have safety data for the vaccines, and the vaccines are continually monitoried for adverse events. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine was shut down because SIX CASES OUT OF SIX MILLION had adverse reactions. If you don't think vaccine safety is taken dead serious by the FDA, then you are delusional.

I'm somewhat familiar with Weinstein, and he's not at all an expert in anything related to viruses, medical treatments, or epidemiology. He is not an expert you should take seriously with regards to Covid, because he is not an expert in any field relavent to Covid. He has done far more harm than good, and has been an active source of misinformation on the pandemic.

You have repeated propaganda in this conversation that comes directly from prominent sources of misinformation. The mRNA vaccine being "experimental", the side effects being unknown, you brought up the fertility issue.... I think you are getting your information from bad sources and not bothering to double check before you pass it on.


It is literally an experimental technology (mRNA) that has never been used in humans.

All the trials they did for coronavirus vaccines on animals, killed the animals.

You would be the type of person who would deny the lab leak theory, until your Big Tech overlords permit you to believe it may be a genuine theory.

Try to think for yourself and seek alternative sources of information other than CNN and FOX. The lamestream media has you exactly where they want you, arguing their cause and virtue-signalling about your decision to take a vaccine.

It should be exactly that, a decision. We all have personal freedom and liberty here in the West, if you want to give that up for the security and safety with the help of your government, be my guest.

You do know that outside of natural death, the 20th century had more deaths from Democide than anything else (death by Governments), right?

EDIT: I can't go back and forth with someone who has so clearly made up their mind. Let's hope one of your family members has had adverse side effect, becomes paralyzed, and you have to spend your miserable life looking after them for the rest of their days -- just as you wished death upon the woman who didn't get vaccinated.

This post was edited by Prospectz on Jul 5 2021 09:44am
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It is literally an experimental technology (mRNA) that has never been used in humans.

All the trials they did for coronavirus vaccines on animals, killed the animals.

You would be the type of person who would deny the lab leak theory, until your Big Tech overlords permit you to believe it may be a genuine theory.

Try to think for yourself and seek alternative sources of information other than CNN and FOX. The lamestream media has you exactly where they want you, arguing their cause and virtue-signalling about your decision to take a vaccine.

It should be exactly that, a decision. We all have personal freedom and liberty here in the West, if you want to give that up for the security and safety with the help of your government, be my guest.

You do know that outside of natural death, the 20th century had more deaths from Democide than anything else (death by Governments).


sources DESPERATELY needed...
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Jul 5 2021 09:53am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 5 2021 04:45pm)
sources DESPERATELY needed...


https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421

These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/

Results
All vaccines induced serum neutralizing antibody with increasing dosages and/or alum significantly increasing responses. Significant reductions of SARS-CoV two days after challenge was seen for all vaccines and prior live SARS-CoV. All mice exhibited histopathologic changes in lungs two days after challenge including all animals vaccinated (Balb/C and C57BL/6) or given live virus, influenza vaccine, or PBS suggesting infection occurred in all. Histopathology seen in animals given one of the SARS-CoV vaccines was uniformly a Th2-type immunopathology with prominent eosinophil infiltration, confirmed with special eosinophil stains. The pathologic changes seen in all control groups lacked the eosinophil prominence.

Conclusions
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.


This was a trial for the original SARS-Cov in the early 2000s. They skipped animal testing with this round of vaccines for this new strain of COVID, but they tried for years in the early 2000s to create a Coronavirus vaccine.

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Jul 5 2021 09:56am
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It is literally an experimental technology (mRNA) that has never been used in humans.

All the trials they did for coronavirus vaccines on animals, killed the animals.

You would be the type of person who would deny the lab leak theory, until your Big Tech overlords permit you to believe it may be a genuine theory.

Try to think for yourself and seek alternative sources of information other than CNN and FOX. The lamestream media has you exactly where they want you, arguing their cause and virtue-signalling about your decision to take a vaccine.

It should be exactly that, a decision. We all have personal freedom and liberty here in the West, if you want to give that up for the security and safety with the help of your government, be my guest.

You do know that outside of natural death, the 20th century had more deaths from Democide than anything else (death by Governments), right?

EDIT: I can't go back and forth with someone who has so clearly made up their mind. Let's hope one of your family members has had adverse side effect, becomes paralyzed, and you have to spend your miserable life looking after them for the rest of their days -- just as you wished death upon the woman who didn't get vaccinated.


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Jul 5 2021 10:16am
Quote (Prospectz @ 5 Jul 2021 17:53)
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421

These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/

Results
All vaccines induced serum neutralizing antibody with increasing dosages and/or alum significantly increasing responses. Significant reductions of SARS-CoV two days after challenge was seen for all vaccines and prior live SARS-CoV. All mice exhibited histopathologic changes in lungs two days after challenge including all animals vaccinated (Balb/C and C57BL/6) or given live virus, influenza vaccine, or PBS suggesting infection occurred in all. Histopathology seen in animals given one of the SARS-CoV vaccines was uniformly a Th2-type immunopathology with prominent eosinophil infiltration, confirmed with special eosinophil stains. The pathologic changes seen in all control groups lacked the eosinophil prominence.

Conclusions
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.


This was a trial for the original SARS-Cov in the early 2000s. They skipped animal testing with this round of vaccines for this new strain of COVID, but they tried for years in the early 2000s to create a Coronavirus vaccine.


and where does it say that all the mice got sick, let alone died? :mellow:

hypersensitivity to a Sars-Cov component is exactly what we would expect in experimental studies on a Sars-Cov vaccine where an immune reaction was successfully induced, but the right calibration has not been figured out yet. which obviously no one was bothering with anyway since the right dose in mice doesn't inform us all that much about the right dose/calibration for humans.

btw, keep in mind that research on OG SARS vaccines fizzled out quickly in the 2000s because SARS was brought under control with comparative ease.
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Jul 5 2021 10:53am
Quote (GarryGarry @ Jul 5 2021 08:41am)
2nd shot july 16 :) can't wait to become a zombie :)


little flippant responses do little more than convince your self. why do you fell the need to convince your self. anyway I think its a mistake but I do hope everything will be fine.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 5 2021 09:16am)
and where does it say that all the mice got sick, let alone died? :mellow:

hypersensitivity to a Sars-Cov component is exactly what we would expect in experimental studies on a Sars-Cov vaccine where an immune reaction was successfully induced, but the right calibration has not been figured out yet. which obviously no one was bothering with anyway since the right dose in mice doesn't inform us all that much about the right dose/calibration for humans.

btw, keep in mind that research on OG SARS vaccines fizzled out quickly in the 2000s because SARS was brought under control with comparative ease.


have you done the math yet? what is the percentage of claimed death toll from covid from last year (2020)
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Jul 5 2021 10:56am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 5 2021 11:16am)
and where does it say that all the mice got sick, let alone died? :mellow:

hypersensitivity to a Sars-Cov component is exactly what we would expect in experimental studies on a Sars-Cov vaccine where an immune reaction was successfully induced, but the right calibration has not been figured out yet. which obviously no one was bothering with anyway since the right dose in mice doesn't inform us all that much about the right dose/calibration for humans.

btw, keep in mind that research on OG SARS vaccines fizzled out quickly in the 2000s because SARS was brought under control with comparative ease.


Quote (Prospectz @ Jul 5 2021 10:53am)
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421

These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/

Results
All vaccines induced serum neutralizing antibody with increasing dosages and/or alum significantly increasing responses. Significant reductions of SARS-CoV two days after challenge was seen for all vaccines and prior live SARS-CoV. All mice exhibited histopathologic changes in lungs two days after challenge including all animals vaccinated (Balb/C and C57BL/6) or given live virus, influenza vaccine, or PBS suggesting infection occurred in all. Histopathology seen in animals given one of the SARS-CoV vaccines was uniformly a Th2-type immunopathology with prominent eosinophil infiltration, confirmed with special eosinophil stains. The pathologic changes seen in all control groups lacked the eosinophil prominence.

Conclusions
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.


This was a trial for the original SARS-Cov in the early 2000s. They skipped animal testing with this round of vaccines for this new strain of COVID, but they tried for years in the early 2000s to create a Coronavirus vaccine.


"day 58, challenged mice were sacrificed and lungs obtained for virus and histopathology."

It explicitly says they didnt all die from the treatment because they were sacrificed for tissue to analyze.
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Jul 5 2021 11:15am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 5 2021 08:05am)
Thousands of (voluntarly) unvaccinated people died and will die like this. Do you think they deserve costly medical assistance ? I think NOT.

I am very curious of the next steps of Delta variant in US south/red states.



massive covidiot fraud from the very beginning.
CDC ADMITS 96% OF COVID DEATHS WERE WRONG [JAN 12]
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bbJ7wm1GSheU/

its gets old testing claim after claim covidiots make, always finding more fraud. you just keep jabbering what your told to believe, do what you need to do to convince yourself.

i wonder what the next variants will be named when they start naming them things like "the darth vader variant" covidiots be like reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

perhaps though they do have another GMO waiting to be released and you will believe its natural or whatever your spoon fed.


Quote (excellence @ Jul 5 2021 08:29am)
well said my friend

i heard he got 6 vaccine doses and wears 6 masks alone outside (a rare event but it happens) and stays 6 meters away from any other human being.

hence he is sauceman6660006060606060666


he is the sauce man..............he is the walrus..................666 oo oo oo kooo koo ka chooooo
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nope

Didn’t read after the 2nd sentence

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