The usual suspects seem pretty worked up today lol
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 18 2023 05:24pm)
Who actually watches MSM? I only watch strictly controlled state run media channels :lol:
Western MSM have become government mouthpieces basically, helping to rally Western citizens behind the government battle cries Slava Ukraini / Russia bad / Ukraine will become NATO member.
Military losses that Ukraine suffers are kept secret. Only civilian casualties are reported and they inform you that Russia is attacking civilians because they cannot hit Ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield. Western MSM has lost all credibility.
Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 18 2023 05:10pm)
Btw i posted these link earlier, a sure source but... There's something to think about (in case you didnt figured it yourself...) :
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.htmlRussia - 12177, of which: destroyed: 8355, damaged: 489, abandoned: 454, captured: 2879
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.htmlUkraine - 4441, of which: destroyed: 2993, damaged: 344, abandoned: 152, captured: 952
The amount of destroyed/captured equipements had
great variation on the timeline of this Russian agression which is more or less slowly repealed atm. A partial collapse or a major change like the illegal bridge destruction are very possible.
We also don't have the global picture of the quality of the said equipement: typically russians captured alot of soviet era equipement at the start of the offensive, and very few western ones much later, (which some squizz are exposing like a trophy).
There's also a value difference: when you destroy 3 x S-400 systems this is like... 150-180 tanks value..
So:
- May have to find charts with time on abscissa (someone?)
- Have to focuse on specific equipements only.
^Molotox this was your answer
/e easy: Source is Oryx:
https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukrainehttps://i.imgur.com/sIXosdq.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/qUcsHOu.jpgRussia has lost a lot of equipment in the early stages and during retreats
Right now Ukraine is losing massive amounts of equipment from Bradleys to Leopards but it's largely kept secret apart from initial losses @Robotyne because this was posted all over the internet