are you guys genuinely not aware that ukraine has existed BEFORE zelensky? again, those regions are not just acknowledged as ukrainian territories by the international community, but have been so by pootin himself - in various different treaties. military invasion followed by fake referendums, that no one recognises as legitimate, doesn't magically change that.

Paper doesn't magically change the fact Russia controls those areas. Maybe the Ukrainians can strap the treaties to the front of a tank and run it at the Russians but I doubt it will help much.

The "international community" lmao, you mean the American empire? Or do you mean the majority of the planet who doesn't give a shit about Ukraine or Russia apart from what sort of deal they can get from them.

See you still haven't gone to volunteer defend the free world yet, too busy championing truth and justice on a niche diablo 2 site? Very noble in its own way

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Sep 18 2023 05:15am

Budanov sits down with the Economist: - “Contrary to what the Russian Federation declares, it has absolutely no strategic reserve. Russia’s 25th Combined Arms Army, now being prematurely deployed in the eastern front around Lyman and Kupyansk.

It has only 80% of the manpower and 55% of the equipment it was supposed to have"
He does not understand those who predicted a quick collapse of the Russian lines. “Is a pencil strong or weak? It depends how you look at it.”

The counter-offensive is ongoing. Ukraine still has time. There is more than a month before the muddy season sets in."

Russia's first defensive line in the all-important southern axis in Zaporizhia has already been pierced in places, meaning that the operation to sever the land connections between Russia and Crimea may yet be achieved before winter sets in.

Regarding other components of the war effort, Russian resources are being exhausted, and a reckoning is coming. Russia’s economy will hold out only until 2025, he says. The flow of weapons will dry up in 2026, “perhaps earlier”

The spy chief says he is working on a limited deterrence and retaliation pose to counter Russia’s expected winter campaign of missile and drone strikes on infrastructure. “Let them start. They will also receive an answer.”


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This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 18 2023 06:56am

Free equipment and armored vehicles for Ukraine Russia

Why does Western MSM not inform their audience that NATO's best gear is falling into the hands of the Russians?

Because they would have to admit they loose against russian kids?

Nahh.. imagine what would say..

There are various articles on-line that are suggesting that the US is looking for a peace deal in Ukraine. However, instead of looking at what they say, I am looking at what they do, and what they are doing is supporting Ukraine in a way that will escalate the war next year. To my mind, there are no plans originating in the West for peace either this year or next year. We have Nato saying that Ukraine needs a strong hand at the negotiating table, but at the same time we have also heard Ukraine say that they wont stop until they have everything back and the US saying that they want to remove Putin and send the country of Russia back to the stone age.

It is a fact that Russia repeatedly sought to avoid this war, warned about it more then 10 years ago, repeatedly, then reluctantly waged this war, sought an off ramp last year, were flabbergasted that the West derailed this endeavor and have now accepted that they are in this for the long haul. The West has repeatedly said that now is not the time for peace, and continues to send billions upon billions (150billion and counting) to Ukraine, with the weapons of war becoming more and more sophisticated and deadly. Long range missiles, f16's etc - next year is going to be incredibly dangerous. These are all grim facts.

Politico: Now’s not the time for peace talks, top Zelenskyy aide says
Also Politico: “One thing is for sure: the Ukrainians do not want any negotiations”
BBC: Ukraine war: Putin says Russia does not reject peace talks
Sky: Ukraine war: Zelenskyy 'not interested' in meeting 'nobody' Putin for peace talks
CER.EU (england): Now is not the time for Ukraine to negotiate
Financial Times: Nato chief says conditions for peace in Ukraine ‘not there now’
APNews: Blinken warns Ukraine cease-fire now would result in ‘Potemkin peace,’ legitimizing Russian invasion

This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 18 2023 09:00am

Btw i posted these link earlier, a sure source but... There's something to think about (in case you didnt figured it yourself...) :


https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Russia - 12177, of which: destroyed: 8355, damaged: 489, abandoned: 454, captured: 2879

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html

Ukraine - 4441, of which: destroyed: 2993, damaged: 344, abandoned: 152, captured: 952


The amount of destroyed/captured equipements had great variation on the timeline of this Russian agression which is more or less slowly repealed atm. A partial collapse or a major change like the illegal bridge destruction are very possible.

We also don't have the global picture of the quality of the said equipement: typically russians captured alot of soviet era equipement at the start of the offensive, and very few western ones much later, (which some squizz are exposing like a trophy).

There's also a value difference: when you destroy 3 x S-400 systems this is like... 150-180 tanks value..

So:

- May have to find charts with time on abscissa (someone?)
- Have to focuse on specific equipements only.


this was your answer





/e easy: Source is Oryx:
https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine










This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 18 2023 09:20am

A grovelling apology for a pointless war of choice; Disguised by gaslighting people into believing Russia had no choice.

I've heard of scraping the barrel but oh my god.

They should send you to negotiate, you have a way with people

Who actually watches MSM? I only watch strictly controlled state run media channels

"Political scientist Yevgenia Albats, in interview with Eduard Steiner, has disputed this assertion: "Today the directors of the television channels and the newspapers are invited every Thursday into the Kremlin office of the deputy head of administration, Vladislav Surkov to learn what news should be presented, and where. Journalists are bought with enormous salaries. In discussions they tell us then how horrible it is to work in the state television service."

http://www.redost.com/1/texts/interviews/what-should-i-be-afraid-of/
"According to the Russian association of journalists, from 1991 to October 2006, 261 journalists were murdered in Russia and only 21 of these cases have been solved."

And yes, it is war. It happens, to both sides.