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Sep 17 2023 09:32am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 17 2023 05:14pm)
Seeing as this new production is replacing, rather than expanding the orc air force, it's a slantwise argument.

Storm shadow missiles don't launch themselves, you know


They must take every possible precaution to hide their few remaining planes. Russian intel is looking for them 24/7 you know

The Russians have thousands of aircraft of various types in their air force and can just operate from deeper within Russia. TU-160 strategic bombers are actually built for that, releasing their weapons from far away. Ukraine can only dream of having such assets

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Quote (Djunior @ Sep 17 2023 10:32am)
They must take every possible precaution to hide their few remaining planes. Russian intel is looking for them 24/7 you know

The Russians have thousands of aircraft of various types in their air force and can just operate from deeper within Russia. TU-160 strategic bombers are actually built for that, releasing their weapons from far away. Ukraine can only dream of having such assets


-11 Tu160 losses to date
vs
+4 Tu160 new production

Russia started the war with 16
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Sep 17 2023 09:58am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 17 2023 11:54am)
-11 Tu160 losses to date
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+4 Tu160 new production

Russia started the war with 16


Who confirmed -11?
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Sep 17 2023 10:27am
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Who confirmed -11?


No one. I completely misread a news source.
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Sep 17 2023 10:29am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 17 2023 01:27pm)
No one. I completely misread a news source.


Was it this?
https://www.armscontrol.org/node/2963

Just curious, it is the only thing that popped up for me
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Sep 17 2023 10:52am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Sep 17 2023 06:29pm)
Was it this?
https://www.armscontrol.org/node/2963

Just curious, it is the only thing that popped up for me


Holy shit

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3,000 tactical and 2,000 strategic nuclear warheads


Ukraine, that country that had a vast nuke stockpile aimed at the West for decades and now suddenly they're the good guys, lol

was that your news source? If so that's painful

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Holy shit



Ukraine, that country that had a vast nuke stockpile aimed at the West for decades and now suddenly they're the good guys, lol


Well they belonged to the Soviet Union and when it dissolved they just happened to be in the newly formed country of Ukraine (to be closer to Europe) so it isn't quite the same thing, AFAIK they didn't even have the ability to launch them at the time but I might be mistaken.

Though in a similar vein, it is pretty funny that Russia is constantly associated with the Soviet Union while Ukraine is treated as entirely separate from it
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Sep 17 2023 11:21am
So when it's convenient Ukraine was pointing nukes at the west. But then he'll say Ukraine was part of the USSR so NATO has no business there.

Which is it? Ukraine was an independent actor or part of a bigger control structure?

The narrative just changes to suit the moment. Pathetic.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 17 2023 07:21pm)
So when it's convenient Ukraine was pointing nukes at the west. But then he'll say Ukraine was part of the USSR so NATO has no business there.

Which is it? Ukraine was an independent actor or part of a bigger control structure?

The narrative just changes to suit the moment. Pathetic.


Ukraine was part of the USSR and had a shit ton of nukes aimed at the West

Both are correct ;)
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