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Apr 6 2022 01:35pm
Quote (Santara @ Apr 6 2022 01:20pm)
In roughly the same amount of time as it took the US Marines to capture Iwo Jima, Russia has lost more than twice as many men, and it's not even close to being over.

How does it feel to have to fight your invasions with slaves and Nazis?


LOL, so now you're salivating over Ukraine's fake numbers of like 10 thousand dead Russians or whatever insanely fake number it is they're throwing out these days.

How can you be so gullible? It's pretty amazing.
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Apr 6 2022 01:42pm
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LOL, so now you're salivating over Ukraine's fake numbers of like 10 thousand dead Russians or whatever insanely fake number it is they're throwing out these days.

How can you be so gullible? It's pretty amazing.


Those are Western intelligence estimates.

Coming from someone regurgitating actual Kremlin sources like RT? FOH.
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Apr 6 2022 01:44pm
There is honestly no way of knowing how many Russian soldiers have been killed to date. The west will overinflate the number and russia will underinflate the number.

("Up To")
Daily Mail 1 day ago (England) : 20,000
Washington Post 2 weeks ago : 15,000
Time Magazine 2 weeks ago (USA) : 15,000
CNBC 2 weeks ago (USA) : 40,000
AA 1 day ago (Turkey) : 18,600
Russia 2 weeks ago : 1,351
Al Jazeera 2 weeks ago : 15,000

there was a report in Russia around 2 weeks ago that stated over 10,000, but this was later quoted as being inserted into an article by hackers. This sounds like a pretty lame excuse.

In the round I am guessing 15,000 +
welcome your thoughts on this.




This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 6 2022 01:55pm
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Apr 6 2022 01:45pm
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/fyrth/202204/t20220406_10665019.htm

statement from the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman today;

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Zhao Lijian: Since the conflict between Russia and Ukraine broke out, the US has been increasing unilateral sanctions on Russia and coercing other countries to take side. This report you mentioned points out that in the past eight years from 2014 till now, a group pf countries, led by the United States, imposed 8,068 sanctions on Russia, which overtakes Iran as the most sanctioned country in the world. Since February 22 this year, 5,314 new sanctions have been slapped on Russia. 

I also noted that Russian Security Council Deputy Secretary Mikhail Popov said, in a contrasting move to its pressuring of European countries to not buy Russian oil, the US increased crude oil supplies from Russia by 43 percent, or 100,000 barrels per day, over the past week and allowed its companies to import mineral fertilizers from Russia. The ongoing war and sanctions have incurred an influx of refugees, capital outflow and energy shortage in Europe, but enabled the US to have profited and made a fortune from that. 

History and reality have made it clear that sanctions cannot guarantee peace and security, and will only lead to a lose-lose situation, further impacting the already languishing world economy and the existing global economic system. If the US is serious about easing the situation in Ukraine, it should stop adding fuel to the fire, stop imposing sanctions, stop coercive words and deeds and truly commit to promote peace talks.


China and Russia increasingly throwing in their lots together and strengthening ties against their common enemy, us. China's getting more vocal about opposing US sanctions
Meanwhile the US engaging in even more bellicose sanctions rhetoric;

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-china-could-face-sanctions-if-it-supports-russias-war-ukraine-2022-04-06/

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Sanctions imposed on Russia over its war in Ukraine should give China a "good understanding" of the consequences it could face if it provides material support to Moscow, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman said on Wednesday.
Sherman said the "range of sanctions" and export controls coordinated among U.S. allies and partners against Russian President Vladimir Putin, the country's economy, and oligarchs, should serve as an example for China's leader Xi Jinping.
"It gives President Xi, I think, a pretty good understanding of what might come his way should he, in fact, support Putin in any material fashion," Sherman told a House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee hearing.
She said Beijing should "take away the right lessons" from the coordinated Western response over Ukraine that any moves by China to take the democratically governed island of Taiwan by force would not be acceptable.


Truly, we are back to the nadir of bull-in-china-shop geopolitics that puts the Bush era to shame. Zero self-interest from American diplomats, zero geopolitical strategy, uniting our enemies and dividing our allies.
How in the flying fuck does the current situation in Ukraine and economic sanctions serve our own interests, let alone for all the bridges we are burning and seeds of our collapse we're planting

When our two greatest competitors start throwing in together, our response is to threaten them for supporting each other? Toothless threats, at that. Because whatever economic leverage we had fending for our own interests throwing up tariffs against China went out the window when Joe Biden came into office anyway. This is like if someone took a chess board and opened up a file so they could march their king straight down the center.

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http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/fyrth/202204/t20220406_10665019.htm

statement from the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman today;



China and Russia increasingly throwing in their lots together and strengthening ties against their common enemy, us. China's getting more vocal about opposing US sanctions
Meanwhile the US engaging in even more bellicose sanctions rhetoric;

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-china-could-face-sanctions-if-it-supports-russias-war-ukraine-2022-04-06/



Truly, we are back to the nadir of bull-in-china-shop geopolitics that puts the Bush era to shame. Zero self-interest from American diplomats, zero geopolitical strategy, uniting our enemies and dividing our allies.
How in the flying fuck does the current situation in Ukraine and economic sanctions serve our own interests, let alone for all the bridges we are burning and seeds of our collapse we're planting


so making china mad is bad now? i hope they get far more upset.
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Apr 6 2022 01:53pm
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so making china mad is bad now? i hope they get far more upset.


Its bad when it unites China and Russia and the rest of the world against the US and EU.
The past decade has seen the huge wedge in geopolitics driven between the US and Russia, precluding the only partnership that could hedge against Chinese domination of coming decades. Since Crimea and Muellerburger, I've had my suspicions of China's silent hand at work. Now we're seeing Russia and China in bed together and America pulling out all the stops to unite them as their shared antagonist. Strategically, we're fucked. Best case scenario by 2050 is that China's age bubble bursts and they implode like Japan, but the current regime of Chicoms would sooner enact Logan's Run
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Apr 6 2022 01:57pm
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http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/fyrth/202204/t20220406_10665019.htm

statement from the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman today;
China and Russia increasingly throwing in their lots together and strengthening ties against their common enemy, us. China's getting more vocal about opposing US sanctions
Meanwhile the US engaging in even more bellicose sanctions rhetoric;

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-china-could-face-sanctions-if-it-supports-russias-war-ukraine-2022-04-06/

tldr: China is mad that the sanctions and energy crisis harm the world economy just as their ZeroCovid strategy is blowing up in their face and causing huge economic downside risks for them; and China is trying to divide the US and its European allies with the "look at the hypocrisy, the yanks let you shoulder the burden of this war while they profiteer" rhetoric.



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Truly, we are back to the nadir of bull-in-china-shop geopolitics that puts the Bush era to shame. Zero self-interest from American diplomats, zero geopolitical strategy, uniting our enemies and dividing our allies.
How in the flying fuck does the current situation in Ukraine and economic sanctions serve our own interests, let alone for all the bridges we are burning and seeds of our collapse we're planting

When our two greatest competitors start throwing in together, our response is to threaten them for supporting each other? Toothless threats, at that. Because whatever economic leverage we had fending for our own interests throwing up tariffs against China went out the window when Joe Biden came into office anyway. This is like if someone took a chess board and opened up a file so they could march their king straight down the center.

Genuine question: if you were POTUS right now, what would you do? Let Putin have Ukraine so you can continue to do business with Russia?
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Apr 6 2022 01:59pm
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Its bad when it unites China and Russia and the rest of the world against the US and EU.
The past decade has seen the huge wedge in geopolitics driven between the US and Russia, precluding the only partnership that could hedge against Chinese domination of coming decades. Since Crimea and Muellerburger, I've had my suspicions of China's silent hand at work. Now we're seeing Russia and China in bed together and America pulling out all the stops to unite them as their shared antagonist. Strategically, we're fucked. Best case scenario by 2050 is that China's age bubble bursts and they implode like Japan, but the current regime of Chicoms would sooner enact Logan's Run


I would rather suggest, from an american standpoint, best case scenario is that after death of current chinese leader next leader(s) is/are monumentally stupid and steps off the road that had been paved for him/them by china's current ruler.

Will really need to see throughout 2022 what Finland does re: Nato and how Russia responds to that.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 6 2022 08:57pm)
Genuine question: if you were POTUS right now, what would you do? Let Putin have Ukraine so you can continue to do business with Russia?


Push heavily for diplomatic solution and immediate ceasefire. if that means lifting of sanctions, do it. pull back while its an option. <-- This wont happen (i.e. i dont believe it will happen).
also its not in order to continue to do business but rather to stop a war.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 6 2022 02:07pm
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Apr 6 2022 02:04pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 6 2022 01:25pm)
The Russians will hide in trenches with their 1800's rifle, then will be slaughtered by drones. You know it.


Jesus mate. You are aware that Russia already destroyed 35 out of 36 of Ukraine's TB-2 Bayraktars, are you not? Russia can easily take down any drone in the sky they want, whenever they want. The last one is in hiding somewhere and will be shot down the moment it flies.

The nonsense you people subscribe to is truly mindblowing.
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Apr 6 2022 02:06pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 6 2022 02:53pm)
Its bad when it unites China and Russia and the rest of the world against the US and EU.
The past decade has seen the huge wedge in geopolitics driven between the US and Russia, precluding the only partnership that could hedge against Chinese domination of coming decades. Since Crimea and Muellerburger, I've had my suspicions of China's silent hand at work. Now we're seeing Russia and China in bed together and America pulling out all the stops to unite them as their shared antagonist. Strategically, we're fucked. Best case scenario by 2050 is that China's age bubble bursts and they implode like Japan, but the current regime of Chicoms would sooner enact Logan's Run


GOOD, hopefully is spurns a massive movement of stateside reinvestment in manufacturing, even if it's just automated manufacturing and assembly. i hope by the day i die they're hawking shit plastic doodads to africa and south america while we laugh at them still being on Russian fuel. if i was the head of the CIA i'd take out Kim Jong Un from space with a laser just so they can deal with a refugee crisis as well. i want more supply chain issues, i want a paperclip order from china to take 3 months. we dont stop china and their cancerous ideology from ruling the eventual worldwide govt by being their friend. they will not become a democracy, nor will russia. so let them burn so we can scoop the ashes into the trash.
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