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Sep 17 2023 03:00am
Evil is the violent imposition of one’s opinion. If there is violence, it is evil. An attack on you is evil. But defense against attack is not evil. Because it is defense. What people believe thanks to false propaganda only speaks of my being right. That the majority are stupid zombies, who do not understand anything and do not want to understand. But at the same time they think that they are right, because they said so on TV. Ukraine has renounced nuclear weapons. At the same time, Russia, the USA, and Great Britain made promises to defend Ukraine. Russia, represented by the pedophile Putin, violated. And England and the United States wanted to stay on the sidelines. And Russia felt impunity and wanted more. Now it’s too late and everything has moved on, all the tyrants (China, North Korea) saw impunity
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Sep 17 2023 03:06am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ <font style="vertical-align: inherit;"><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">17 сен 2023 11:40</font></font>)
Цитата (Rastok21 @ 17 сен 2023 16:15)

В геополитике нет добра и зла.
То, что вы считаете злом, я считаю добром.
То, что я считаю злом, вы считаете добром.

Все аморально, и единственное, что важно – это интересы государства.Пропаганда работает с обеих сторон.


This is pure evil. Only those who have not encountered murders think so. And they have only seen them in games and on TV. That is why the world will be destroyed. Such “humen”, who judge from the position of “I am stronger”, that means I'm right. Law of the jungle.
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Sep 17 2023 03:08am
more clumsy attempts to silence criticism of russia's warmongering by the usual pootlickers... pathetic...
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Sep 17 2023 03:10am
Quote (Malopox @ Sep 17 2023 07:33am)
Infind it interesting that there are basically no Ukrainian posters in this thread after ^Lvivz got mobilized.

We barely even have Russians here. Only ^Norlander posts here once in a while.

Yet people that have no idea about the history, politics or culture of the whole region seem to be righteously fired up on their moral high grounds telling everyone what’s right and what’s wrong and who should die and who should live.

Out of curiosity, how many of you gents have lived or even been to Russia or Ukraine ever in your life?

https://i.imgur.com/Dl3sMCs.jpg


Who made you the gatekeeper of having an opinion?

If you don't like hearing hard truths, just leave.
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Sep 17 2023 03:14am
Quote (bogie160 @ 17 Sep 2023 04:45)
You're advocating for genocide, but let's leave that aside. When were the Tartars last a majority in Crimea, and how far back is too far back before we hold those claims not meaningful?


Expulsing the illegal people who side with a war crime government isnt a genocide dont play this hack deflection card. Technically, deporting children is one of the point of genocide, and you have several others.

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Btw i'm reading about this "real politik" shit here - again -

To anyone:

We have terrible people in this sub who said Uigurs camps where some kind of a hoax or that Ukrainians bombed themselves in a recent war crime committed by the russian army.

For sure it's a good trick to involve a pseudo "realistic geo-politics" speech and to deshumanize "everything" when you are supporting inhuman regimes.
It is also a malicious way to suppress free discussion because things are becoming too embarrassing. That's it, good luck with it.


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Sep 17 2023 03:26am
GOP Senators plead with Biden to give Ukraine ATCMS to shorten the war.
- Senators cite that US stockpiles will be unaffected.
- I don't know if it's only 4 or if it's more if each represents a group.
-> Destroying the illegal bridge going from russia to crimea could be a pretty big event, with consequences...

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-senators-ask-biden-ukraine-195416034.html

thus this is not the first time...
https://www.bbc.com/news/60710226
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Sep 17 2023 03:32am
People and politicians are very stupid at times and do not think about justice, but about making people like them. If they had given weapons earlier, there would not have been so many casualties. But Ukraine is also to blame, since it did not prepare for war. In Ukraine, the authorities are very corrupt and think how to steal more.
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Sep 17 2023 03:38am
Quote (Malopox @ Sep 17 2023 05:17am)
Yeah, overwhelming majority of people in Ukraine and Russia do not speak English well enough to post coherently so they prefer not to. Russian subforum has quite a bit of both, although I'm not very comfortable with the amount of Z guys I've seen there. They seem to have been cleaned out recently.

I'm assuming you are talking about United States here. I think the problem there is Atlanticism doctrine where United States has sold itself as world protector and have played that self-appointed role for decades, buttering it up with hollywood-esque propaganda labeling people dictators and authoritarians subjugating the little guys, before promptly bombing the shit out of them. I've listened to the speech of Dwight Eisenhower recently, which has forewarned about US military shaping US foreign policy. It sounds prophetic in 2023.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwight-d-eisenhowers-farewell-address
https://www.c-span.org/video/?15026-1/president-dwight-eisenhower-farewell-address

I think that decisions need to be made while taking into account specifics of local culture, history and the region. Several posters have mentioned that removing Saddam and Gadaffi, who were undisputed tyrants, opened an even bigger jar of worms with jihadists uniting to sow terror in the region and abroad. Was it worth it?


I lurk there once in awhile, I can't communicate in Russian well enough to post there but I do find it funny how much it mirrors this thread some days. Obviously the people there are much more educated on the topic but it does devolve into the whole "no YOU'RE a nazi" thing quite a bit :P

I'm actually from Canada but there is less and less distinction IMO, our worldview is largely formed through the lens of US media/culture either purposefully or indirectly as a consequence of everyone being "plugged in" 24/7 and the majority of English media being produced there. I think this is also happening in every western country to some extent but Canada is particularly vulnerable to its affects for a variety of reasons. I know the Eisenhower speech you are talking about, it is eerie to read it nowadays.

I think the problem is deeper than just a certain policy or style of politics, it is a bit philosophical to get into here so I'll just cliff notes it as I think western civilization is dying if not already dead and all of the chaos, division and conflict we are seeing in the world is a consequence of that to some extent. My views line up a lot with what Oswald Spengler wrote about Western/Faustian civilization in his books "The Decline of the West" if you have ever read those, if not they are very interesting.
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Sep 17 2023 04:33am
Warlordism ?

Russia

A few days ago, armed men landed from helicopters on the territory of a residential town and the oil processing unit of the nearby Dulisima oil campaign.
The company's workers were lined up in the courtyard, their phones were confiscated, those who were outraged were beaten and then expelled from the territory.
The Dulisminskoye oil field is located in the Irkutsk region, the work is carried out in rotation, the transportation is by helicopter and there is taiga all around.
It could be a misappropriation of public funds.



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 17 2023 04:40am
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Sep 17 2023 04:50am
Quote (Rastok21 @ 17 Sep 2023 17:06)
This is pure evil. Only those who have not encountered murders think so. And they have only seen them in games and on TV. That is why the world will be destroyed. Such “humen”, who judge from the position of “I am stronger”, that means I'm right. Law of the jungle.


I have done my 2.5 years of military service which is mandatory and was posted to the East Timor conflict for 2 months in 1999. Not much....perhaps you can ask those other users who have only played computer games and see stuff on T.V.

Not much for experience as compared to some Americans, but yah... I have seen something.
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