They mostly post in the Russian subforum don't they? Usually seems to be a few threads about the war there.

I haven't been to Russia or Ukraine myself so I'm definitely guilty of what you mention here, I'm sure I don't have a complete understanding of their individual or shared politics, culture and history.

That said my country is sending billions of my tax dollars to burn there while it has a bunch of domestic issues that need to be fixed, justifying it with things that are blatantly untrue or at the very least, extremely biased. I also see it as a continuation of horrible foreign policy that has wreaked havoc across the entire world, resulting in the deaths and displacement of millions and ultimately weakening the hegemony it was created to extend.

So I think being righteously fired up about it is warranted IMO, as is the disdain I treat people with who support the continuation of this style of international politics. It doesn't lead to more thoughtful discussion but it is cathartic at least given there is no meaningful way for me to oppose it.

very superficial. If you let evil develop, it will eventually reach you, but very strong. That’s what happened with Putin. So your taxes go to a good cause. Like in the Second World War, everyone united and defeated evil. Unfortunately, the world has degraded and everyone thinks. that they can wait it out and evil will bypass them

Evil eh? Sorry I'm not big on crusades, but if I was the United States seems to be the most evil country on the planet in terms of the amount of terror and destruction they have caused around the world.

Everyone was united in the second WORLD War? Huh that is interesting. What about the neutral countries? Or...you know...the ones fighting eachother? How about people like Bandera? Was he united against evil?

You are a victim of propaganda. It is impossible to remain neutral. And Bandera sat in a German concentration camp and fought for freedom against the reds and browns. I will tell you that evil, because of the cowardly inhabitants, has already grown stronger and it will all end in a nuclear war, where 90% of the world's population will die .But you remain neutral. Good luck in 10-15 years.

Probably, I doubt many people aren't a victim of propaganda in some way. It isn't impossible to remain neutral, if you think that then you are part of the problem IMO and shouldn't ever be listened to. You didn't answer the question about Bandera btw.

If 90% of the world is going to die in a nuclear war anyway then why should I care about any of this besides how it affects me in the next 10-15 years?

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Sep 17 2023 02:06am

you are clearly not very attentive. Bandera fought against evil, red and brown. Sitting on the sidelines will not work. Because evil will reach you too. In fact, it has already reached you, you are a good example of this. When someone is killed, you want to stay on the sidelines, don’t understanding that you or your family will be next. But this is the position of the majority of the population, which is why we live in such a vile world.

Yeah, overwhelming majority of people in Ukraine and Russia do not speak English well enough to post coherently so they prefer not to. Russian subforum has quite a bit of both, although I'm not very comfortable with the amount of Z guys I've seen there. They seem to have been cleaned out recently.

I'm assuming you are talking about United States here. I think the problem there is Atlanticism doctrine where United States has sold itself as world protector and have played that self-appointed role for decades, buttering it up with hollywood-esque propaganda labeling people dictators and authoritarians subjugating the little guys, before promptly bombing the shit out of them. I've listened to the speech of Dwight Eisenhower recently, which has forewarned about US military shaping US foreign policy. It sounds prophetic in 2023.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwight-d-eisenhowers-farewell-address
https://www.c-span.org/video/?15026-1/president-dwight-eisenhower-farewell-address

I think that decisions need to be made while taking into account specifics of local culture, history and the region. Several posters have mentioned that removing Saddam and Gadaffi, who were undisputed tyrants, opened an even bigger jar of worms with jihadists uniting to sow terror in the region and abroad. Was it worth it?





I was wrong. Good that we still have Ukranians here. Western Ukranians at that, judging by your fascination with Nazi Collaborators. Do you know the story of Billy the Goat Fucker?

I understand your outrage at the president of a nation that has invaded you. I'm no fan of Putin myself, however to resolve this conflict in a realistic way a diplomatic solution has to be figured out. I do not think Russians will manage or want to overtake the whole of Ukraine. Neither I see Ukranians beating Russians enough to conclude a peace on favorable terms with the way things are unfolding. What I see is that people are being prepared for the "Long War" of attrition on both sides of the fence which spells trouble for the whole region as devastation and needless loss of life and resources will continue. Here a summary of The Economist of what is being prepared:



This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 17 2023 02:43am

Even more interesting is the fact that the so called "good guys" (lol) show no interest in negotiations, show no interest in halting NATO's continuous expansion and continue to call everyone here that points those things out Putin enablers or whatever (pick insult from a large list).

It's wild

There is no such thing as good and evil in Geo Politics.
What you think is evil, I think is good.
What I think is evil, you think is good.

Everything is amoral, and the only thing that is important is the interests of a state. Propaganda works both sides.

What did I miss? Many people view Bandera as evil, the reason I asked your opinion about him was to illustrate that it was not a simple as being "united against evil"

So I am evil or I have just been manipulated to support evil? What if I feel the same way about you? Does it cancel out or is there a way to prove who is correct? Can we measure evil in some way?

I am against what in my opinion will lead to more people being killed/displaced/suffering and also against my country spending money it doesn't have to support it. I don't want Ukrainians to be killed or to suffer, I have very little respect for the Ukrainian government but I have no problem with the people and think they should have their own sovereign country, but the route it is going I don't think there will be much left of Ukraine besides hate and destruction.



Well said!

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Sep 17 2023 02:43am