Quote (bogie160 @ 17 Sep 2023 04:37)
I'm not sure anyone thinks a Ukrainian referendum, especially post "de-russification", would be much different from the sham referendums Russia conducts in occupied territory.
The premise is that Russia controls ~20% of Ukrainian territory, can most likely hold it, and has expended tremendous cost in blood and treasure to get it. Giving up occupied Ukraine won't bring foreign investment back, and it would be a colossal political risk to the regime. What can Ukraine offer Russia to make that worthwhile? Ukraine benefits tremendously from peace. Peace brings accession into NATO, accession to the EU, and along with that enormous economic support and military security. Whether what Russia did was right or wrong is immaterial. What benefits Ukraine right now?
you are, once again, looking at it entirely from a russian perspective, implying they SHOULD be rewarded for their repeated military invasions, for the countless human lives they ended and destroyed, for the massive economic and political damage they caused by starting and waging this war.
getting out of this war without losing even more blood and treasure, not having to pay any reparations for the immense cost of "blood and treasure" they FORCED upon a country that did NOT voluntarily enter into a war in order to conquer foreign territory, and having the option of still acquiring the regions they so covet peacefully, IS an incredibly generous compromise by all reasonable standards.
why don't you just tell me what YOU would consider a "fair" deal though? i asked you repeatedly, and all you ever do is tell me why my suggestion is unacceptable for russia (completely ignoring ukraine's perspective)...