Quote (bogie160 @ 16 Sep 2023 15:42)

I'm aware of the fact that the Crimean Tatars exist. What percentage of the Crimean population do they represent? By my reckoning, Crimea has had a Russian ethnic majority since at least the 1930s, and the Tatars a minority even before that crazy genocidal Georgian deported Crimea's Tatars. By "reverse" Crimea's russification, I can only imagine you mean removing the Russians who have lived their for generations; either that, or you mean to say that their language and culture needs to be replaced. Is that a legal opinion to express in Germany?

Your definition of peace looks a lot like victory for Ukraine. We might as well say that the Russians want peace, and they'll have it once rump Ukraine installs a Ukrainian Lukashenko. As it stands, I don't think it's likely that Russia will ever agree to give up the land bridge connecting Crimea to Russia. Ukraine, on the other hand, will not accept even a Russian withdrawal to 2022 borders. As a result, both sides want the war to continue.

Quote (fender @ Sep 16 2023 06:08pm)

considering having a huge part of your country destroyed, tens of thousands of civilians and innocent people murdered, and agreeing to hold referendums over several of your regions' possible future as part of the country that attacked you a "win" for ukraine is a very russian-favoured perspective imo.
to me, a "win" would be ukraine getting all of its internationally recognised (also by russia, in multiple agreements) territory back, no referendums, plus russian reparations for all the damage it caused in ukraine.

what would YOU consider a "fair" compromise then? how much illegally occupied land would you give russia directly, how high should their reward for repeatedly invading their neighbours be in your opinion?

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 17 Sep 2023 01:05)

https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis

how narratives can flip in 4-5 years

the neonazis from 2018 couldnt get support, a few years later they are heroes ^_^

Quote (fender @ Sep 16 2023 05:08pm)

considering having a huge part of your country destroyed, tens of thousands of civilians and innocent people murdered, and agreeing to hold referendums over several of your regions' possible future as part of the country that attacked you a "win" for ukraine is a very russian-favoured perspective imo.
to me, a "win" would be ukraine getting all of its internationally recognised (also by russia, in multiple agreements) territory back, no referendums, plus russian reparations for all the damage it caused in ukraine.

what would YOU consider a "fair" compromise then? how much illegally occupied land would you give russia directly, how high should their reward for repeatedly invading their neighbours be in your opinion?

Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 16 2023 11:06am)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSxsc8TVeY



They aren't Ukrainian ? Deport them back in Russia. Only Tatars have a word to say imho, and we all know what USSR and Russian Federation did to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars

Btw https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roustem_Oumierov
Umierov was born in 1982 in Bulungʻur, Samarkand, in the Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic, to a Crimean Tatar Muslim family from Alushta,
Minister of Defense

Quote (bogie160 @ 17 Sep 2023 04:37)

I'm not sure anyone thinks a Ukrainian referendum, especially post "de-russification", would be much different from the sham referendums Russia conducts in occupied territory.

The premise is that Russia controls ~20% of Ukrainian territory, can most likely hold it, and has expended tremendous cost in blood and treasure to get it. Giving up occupied Ukraine won't bring foreign investment back, and it would be a colossal political risk to the regime. What can Ukraine offer Russia to make that worthwhile? Ukraine benefits tremendously from peace. Peace brings accession into NATO, accession to the EU, and along with that enormous economic support and military security. Whether what Russia did was right or wrong is immaterial. What benefits Ukraine right now?

Quote (fender @ Sep 17 2023 02:31am)

you are, once again, looking at it entirely from a russian perspective, implying they SHOULD be rewarded for their repeated military invasions, for the countless human lives they ended and destroyed, for the massive economic and political damage they caused by starting and waging this war.

getting out of this war without losing even more blood and treasure, not having to pay any reparations for the immense cost of "blood and treasure" they FORCED upon a country that did NOT voluntarily enter into a war in order to conquer foreign territory, and having the option of still acquiring the regions they so covet peacefully, IS an incredibly generous compromise by all reasonable standards.

why don't you just tell me what YOU would consider a "fair" deal though? i asked you repeatedly, and all you ever do is tell me why my suggestion is unacceptable for russia (completely ignoring ukraine's perspective)...