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Oct 27 2020 10:09am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 27 2020 10:57am)
Do the other states have to sign off on the admission of a new state to the union? To the best of my knowledge, other states have no say/veto power in the process - their ratification is only necessary when amending the Constitution.


ahh you are correct, im clearly too far from my civics courses.

after reading tho i wonder a few things:

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Nor does the Equal Footing Doctrine require the federal government to surrender ownership of lands it owns within a newly admitted state, and it does not affect the broad power that the federal government has to regulate those lands under the Property Clause.


this seems incredibly pertinent in DC given federal holdings

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For many admitted states, Congress first passed an Enabling Act, which authorized the population of a territory to convene a constitutional convention to draft a constitution for the new proposed state, and to apply for admission to Congress. Often in the Enabling Act, Congress specified a range of conditions that the proposed state had to meet in order for admission to occur. These conditions varied widely across time and states. For example, some states were precluded from allowing polygamy or slavery, and some states were forced to practice religious toleration or to afford civil jury trial rights. Once the proposed state constitution was drafted, it was sent to Congress, which then decided whether to pass an additional act or resolution admitting the state. One variation in the Enabling Act process involved Congress delegating the final approval process to the President.


im not familiar with what the local govt landscape in DC is like and how drafting this would work.

also seems like a large number of people wouldnt get votes as they vote in their home districts, clerks, politicians, staffers, etc.



i can only imagine how politicized of a circus the hearings on that would be lol.
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Oct 27 2020 10:34am
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ahh you are correct, im clearly too far from my civics courses.

after reading tho i wonder a few things:



this seems incredibly pertinent in DC given federal holdings



im not familiar with what the local govt landscape in DC is like and how drafting this would work.

also seems like a large number of people wouldnt get votes as they vote in their home districts, clerks, politicians, staffers, etc.



i can only imagine how politicized of a circus the hearings on that would be lol.


The most important takeaway I got from reading about this process is that it would take quite some time. I doubt that Democrats could ram it through before the 2022 midterms when Republicans have a shot at taking back the Senate.

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Oct 27 2020 10:39am
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The most important takeaway I got from reading about this process is that it would take quite some time. I doubt that Democrats could ram it through before the 2022 midterms when Republicans have a shot at taking back the Senate.


i agree, especially with how long deliberations take to start and then take to finish these days.
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Oct 27 2020 10:40am
If Democrats were smart, they’d use the 6-3 court against Republicans.

With the amount of seats expected to be gained this year in local/state elections, Democrats should focus the next 4-6 years on extreme gerrymandering and other GOP Tea Party-esque ideas. If the GOP sues, try to push it up to the Supreme Court. If the Court comes down against it, then the GOP lost one of its only ways of maintaining power in advance of demographic changes and the ultra-liberal/activist Gen Z. If not, then Democrats gerrymandered a billion fafillion districts to their demographics... win-win. Obviously not moral, but look at what the GOP is willing to do (Trump) for power. This is significantly less of an evil to root out fascism.

This same logic could apply to voting, too. Just pass some bullshit voting restrictions in some places, but tinge them to repress GOP voters, and wait for the Courts to knock it down.

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Oct 27 2020 10:49am
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If Democrats were smart, they’d use the 6-3 court against Republicans.

With the amount of seats expected to be gained this year in local/state elections, Democrats should focus the next 4-6 years on extreme gerrymandering and other GOP Tea Party-esque ideas. If the GOP sues, try to push it up to the Supreme Court. If the Court comes down against it, then the GOP lost one of its only ways of maintaining power in advance of demographic changes and the ultra-liberal/activist Gen Z. If not, then Democrats gerrymandered a billion fafillion districts to their demographics... win-win. Obviously not moral, but look at what the GOP is willing to do (Trump) for power. This is significantly less of an evil to root out fascism.

This same logic could apply to voting, too. Just pass some bullshit voting restrictions in some places, but tinge them to repress GOP voters, and wait for the Courts to knock it down.


You wrongly assume that the courts couldnt find judicial justifications for striking down the Dem gerrymanders/voting rights laws while leaving the door open for Republicans to pass similar stuff based on a slightly different legal basis later on.
You also assume that the partisan 6-3 GOP court would not be willing to contradict its own earlier rulings out of partisan motives. It is likely that the court would show this kind of self-restrain and integrity, but there's no guarantee for that, so it's not a trivial assumption to make.

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Oct 27 2020 10:54am
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You wrongly assume that the courts couldnt find judicial justifications for striking down the Dem gerrymanders/voting rights laws while leaving the door open for Republicans to pass similar stuff based on a slightly different legal basis later on.
You also assume that the partisan 6-3 GOP court would not be willing to contradict its own earlier rulings out of partisan motives. It is likely that the court would show this kind of self-restrain and integrity, but there's no guarantee for that, so it's not a trivial assumption to make.


Perhaps you’re right. I definitely fear for our country in 10-20 years when the shift left occurs and the old, white, conservative court striketh down everything. It will not be a good situation.
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Oct 27 2020 11:19am
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DC cannot be a state. I suggest we give the land back to Maryland.

Puerto Rico is fine, but they should also give representation to Northern California.


Every liberal city in a red state should be its own state with two senators so they have representation.
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Oct 27 2020 11:40am
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We know you hate journalism. Stay with infowars.


> implying Mother Jones is journalism.
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Oct 27 2020 11:46am
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Every liberal city in a red state should be its own state with two senators so they have representation.


nn to be redundant
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Oct 27 2020 11:57am
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> implying Mother Jones is journalism.


Is the info true or false? That's literally the only relevant thing. It doesn't matter if it came from 9gag if it's factually true.
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