Us officials care and understand the implications of this "war". I think they could easily triple or quadruple the budget allocated to Ukraine even if a (not too big) majority of americans was against it.

Yet it's pretty clear that US and even EU are not in a hurry to deliver all the necessary equipement to Ukraine to crush putin's army and maybe some people here have an explanation for that ?

The USA/EU has done exactly what you described - created an external enemy (Russia) to deflect from their own internal shortcomings (extreme political discord, inflation, out of control housing costs & energy costs, decades of zero wage growth, increasingly widening economic inequality)

Don't put US and EU in the same bag please.

In bold: For this they have races, abortion, anti-lgbt, guns ...

I put them in the same bag since the EU is a vassal of the USA and completely under their thumb. Whatever the USA does, they do, they have no other choice.

Edit: those are indeed more examples of internal discord amongst the USA/(EU to lesser extent esp. with respect to guns)

This post was edited by El1te on Sep 15 2023 03:41pm

Actually Russia invaded Ukraine, and thus became an external threat and enemy.

Was there tension before? Of course there was. But you just don't get the same level of obsession in the US about Russia, as there is in the Russian psyche about the US.
That is undeniable.
And mainly because the media is so tightly controlled and abused to spread the Kremlins narrative.

Does anyone believe, after seeing what has transpired in Ukraine, with Russias military failures, that the US government actually consider Russia its prime adversary? Clearly not.

I can't find the Kotkin interview but he explained it so clearly.
Actually I think it was Lex Fridman Podcast, around minute 14:00 and minute 16:00 specifically.



This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 15 2023 03:52pm

This is Kremlin propaganda. Who said no to Iraq war 2 ? End of story your bullshit has been debunked.

/e this said EU countries are increasing their military budget. (and ty DeGaulle)

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 15 2023 03:55pm

sure buddy, if only the west delivered more shit

you still dont get it, sacrificing ukrainian menpower to kill russians and tax money for the military industrial complex is a business

give us some more führerbunker news bro

- The deadlines for humanitarian aid are quick.
- The deadlines for accepting military aid are slow, it is a delicate subject.
- The natural caution of any nation when getting involved in a conflict, we tend to wait and observe.
- The time needed for the sanctions to take effect, here too, we tend to wait as long as possible.
- The time it took to prepare in Europe (stocking up on natural gas at the start).
- Do not crush Russia, do not humiliate it: we hope for a change of stable regime.

And indeed the Ukrainians pay in blood, however the military aid remains significant and we see the effect today.
Furthermore, the Ukrainians save their force and minimize losses as much as possible. Even if they are at 20,000 mutilated...

I think it goes further than your AFD propaganda vomit.

honest question: what do YOU think should be done?

simply stop any western military aid to ukraine and let russia just roll over them, murder ukraine's leadership, ethnically cleanse the country like crimea, and call it a day? you think that's the better alternative? let them take transnistria and moldova too, and try in georgia again?

i mean, it's pretty obvious that's what you'd prefer, but maybe you have some other suggestion...

Ukraine joins EU and CSTO.

Or even simpler, Ukraine demilitarizes and Russia withdraws entirely (or keeps a small contingency).. worked out for japan didn´t it?

This post was edited by ownyaah on Sep 15 2023 04:55pm