d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Russia / Ukraine
Prev13483493503513524527Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 3,771
Joined: Sep 29 2021
Gold: 14,158.00
Apr 6 2022 12:15pm
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 6 2022 12:12pm)
Sorry, but I feel like watching RT while reading your posts.


Go for it.
Member
Posts: 3,771
Joined: Sep 29 2021
Gold: 14,158.00
Apr 6 2022 12:19pm
In Ukraine all it takes for someone to get black-bagged and shipped off to an SBU torture & execution site is for you to be accused of having pro-Russian viewpoints.

Not even that you expressed them publicly, or did anything to actually hurt the ruling regime, or oppose them in anyway.

Just having the viewpoints and being accused of it is enough to get a 2 AM SBU raid and get sent to a torture site where, after they're done with you, you'll never be seen again.

8 years it has been like this. And people here are supporting this sadistic regime, acting like this stuff hasn't been happening and it isn't still happening now. Not only is it still happening, but now in a much greater intensity with the Russian invasion.

If I lived in Ukraine, I couldn't post the truth about the regime here like I do. I would be kidnapped, tortured and then executed.

This is the regime you people are supporting. It's pretty sad.
Member
Posts: 2,659
Joined: Dec 4 2011
Gold: 6.66
Apr 6 2022 12:31pm
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Apr 6 2022 03:46pm)
cause they're nazis and Putin said the truth

https://i.imgur.com/7cguzvt.jpg


Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 6 2022 05:07pm)
That meme is golden. Mainly because it's true


Its kinda wrong tho. We have angry normie/npc for every single one of them. Maybe even the most for Azov. But Ukraine isnt Azov just as not all Russians are Russia. Too hard to grasp or you gonna continue living in a world exhaustively explained by memes?

This post was edited by Neptunus on Apr 6 2022 12:32pm
Member
Posts: 3,771
Joined: Sep 29 2021
Gold: 14,158.00
Apr 6 2022 12:36pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Apr 6 2022 12:31pm)
Its kinda wrong tho. We have angry normie/npc for every single one of them. Maybe even the most for Azov. But Ukraine isnt Azov just as not all Russians are Russia. Too hard to grasp or you gonna continue living in a world exhaustively explained by memes?


Right now there are millions of Americans flying Ukraine flags that have no fcking clue about Azov or Right Sector or Aidar or Pravisektor or any of the other neo-nazi groups they are supporting in the process.

Sorry, but when a nation's government supports its own neo-nazi movement and lets them kill and rape and pillage as they please for 8 years, then they become a reflection of the violence they have enabled.

So yes, at this very moment there are millions supporting an openly fascist regime responsible for killing countless of its own citizens. They pretty much are the definition of sheep.
Member
Posts: 52,048
Joined: Jan 3 2009
Gold: 8,933.00
Apr 6 2022 12:38pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 6 2022 01:11pm)
It's really amazing to me that a self-described Libertarian would support a regime that has been killing its own people non-stop for 8 years while brutally oppressing anybody that even opposed them just a tiny bit, even if it was only their personal beliefs that did not align with said corrupt regime.

Incredible. Some "libertarian", eh?


Do you not understand the concept of the lesser evil? Ukraine is the lesser evil, Russia is the greater evil. That doesn't mean I support anything and everything that Ukraine has ever done, you're just worse.
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
Apr 6 2022 12:40pm
Ok so it seems there's alot of place in UKraine that had the same fate than Bucha ...
It's going crazy, the proud Red Army painting "V" signs in place where they massacred unarmed civilians. Completely sick. Scorched Earth directive from Putin ?
And this explains Biden's speech. Promising "years of sanctions" ...

/e IMO this war will have a supplementary turning point because of this.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 6 2022 12:46pm
Member
Posts: 3,771
Joined: Sep 29 2021
Gold: 14,158.00
Apr 6 2022 12:46pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 6 2022 12:40pm)
Ok so it seems there's alot of place in UKraine that had the same fate than Bucha ...
It's going crazy, the proud Red Army painting "V" signs in place where they massacred unarmed civilians. Completely sick.
And this explains Biden's speech.


No, it just indicates the level of the psyOp being waged against Russia.

Ukraine is losing the war. They are desperate. They understand that Mariupol is finished and hope is essentially lost for the Donbass battalion grouping of 60-80 thousand soldiers.

Now they are pouring all their energy into the propaganda war. Way they see it, the only thing that can save them now is a NATO intervention.

It won't come of course, but it doesn't stop them from trying. The fact they'd rather start ww3 and sacrifice billions of lives for their cause rather than admit to their crimes is extremely telling.
Member
Posts: 52,048
Joined: Jan 3 2009
Gold: 8,933.00
Apr 6 2022 12:49pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 6 2022 01:46pm)
No, it just indicates the level of the psyOp being waged against Russia.

Ukraine is losing the war. They are desperate. They understand that Mariupol is finished and hope is essentially lost for the Donbass battalion grouping of 60-80 thousand soldiers.

Now they are pouring all their energy into the propaganda war. Way they see it, the only thing that can save them now is a NATO intervention.

It won't come of course, but it doesn't stop them from trying. The fact they'd rather start ww3 and sacrifice billions of lives for their cause rather than admit to their crimes is extremely telling.


Member
Posts: 52,469
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,404.67
Apr 6 2022 12:50pm
Quote (ferdia @ 6 Apr 2022 12:18)
Russia to my mind does not have the will to invade Finland based on Finlands current wish to join Nato. I believe the West would have already told Russia that Finland is one of their red lines "invade Finland and we are at war". I would suggest that Russia recognizes this red line and therefore will not cross it. I accept that this is double standards noting the West ignored Russia's red line on Ukraine, but its not the same situation/country.

However having said that, we live in uncertain times. The West sees itself reacting to Russia aggression while Russia sees itself reacting to Western aggression. Further Sanctions and further Nato members are escalating measures which I believe the Russians will look to respond to, which in turn will prompt the West to escalate further. eek?

At a certain point one would like to think that things will row back. However there is ZERO sign of that right now.


Of course not. The first realistic window of opportunity for a deescalation and honest peace talks is after the imminent Russian offense in the East/South. If they conquer the whole Donbass and a sufficiently deep land bridge to Crimea, they have achieved an acceptable result in this war, one which Putin can sell as a success to his people at home. If this offense completely stalls and Russia realizes that they'd have to go all-out in their war efforts, they might also return to the negotiating table and be more willing to seek a diplomatic solution.

The worst - and imho most likely - scenario is a protacted positional warfare which drags on for months without coming to a conclusion.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 6 2022 01:02pm
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
Apr 6 2022 12:52pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 6 Apr 2022 18:46)
No, it just indicates the level of the psyOp being waged against Russia.

Ukraine is losing the war. They are desperate. They understand that Mariupol is finished and hope is essentially lost for the Donbass battalion grouping of 60-80 thousand soldiers.

Now they are pouring all their energy into the propaganda war. Way they see it, the only thing that can save them now is a NATO intervention.

It won't come of course, but it doesn't stop them from trying. The fact they'd rather start ww3 and sacrifice billions of lives for their cause rather than admit to their crimes is extremely telling.


So you accuse Ukraine instead, unfortunately for you the proofs are here. Sounds like you have some Javelin stuck in your . :o
Russian army retire from areas and we are discovering the terrible truth of war crimes.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 6 2022 01:18pm
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev13483493503513524527Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll