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Sep 14 2023 11:41am
Quote (Djunior @ 14 Sep 2023 19:36)
Not long ago you were telling us that the EU market is so important for Russia, you used to post oil / gas revenue statistics to prove your point that it's all about the EU and Russia was going down the drain if they lost the EU market.

Reality is that Russia is now fully focusing on other markets and making efforts to improve relations with countries like China, Iran and NK and if you followed the news the last days the West aint particularly happy about it.

I never claimed that Russia was gonna collapse immediately without the European market. And yes, I still stand by my take that the loss of the European market will hurt Russia big time in the medium and long term.

This is particularly true for their natural gas exports, where it will take many years and tens of billions of investment to build a pipeline infrastructure to China which has the capacity to replace what they already had towards Europe. And like I've explained numerous times, they will never be able to send pipeline gas to India since these pipelines would inevitably have to go through Pakistan or China, i.e. India's two biggest geostrategic foes.
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Quote (El1te @ Sep 14 2023 05:48pm)
I'm talking about a stateless capitalist system (which is Warlordism)

If you are strong and allied with a powerful regional warlord, then yes you can. If you are weak, you would instead be subjugated & enslaved. In a stateless system, there is no government to protect you and you're left at the mercy of the regional power.


i wouldnt really disagree in theory, but unfortunately most states are not benevolent and treat you like a slave
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Sep 14 2023 11:44am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 14 2023 07:36pm)
Imagine being so desperate as to turn to NK, and you don't even see the desperation.


What a complete non-argument. Are you parroting your favorite MSM news outlet?

Fact of the matter is that NK has massive stockpiles of artillery ammo and massive production facilities and NK borders Russia, there are railroad connections without the need to pass through a third country.

This post was edited by Djunior on Sep 14 2023 11:53am
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Sep 14 2023 11:50am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 14 2023 07:41pm)
I never claimed that Russia was gonna collapse immediately without the European market. And yes, I still stand by my take that the loss of the European market will hurt Russia big time in the medium and long term.

This is particularly true for their natural gas exports, where it will take many years and tens of billions of investment to build a pipeline infrastructure to China which has the capacity to replace what they already had towards Europe. And like I've explained numerous times, they will never be able to send pipeline gas to India since these pipelines would inevitably have to go through Pakistan or China, i.e. India's two biggest geostrategic foes.


The sanctions backfired, it's a simple fact. Quite possibly the EU has lost access to cheap Russian energy forever.



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Sep 14 2023 12:03pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Sep 14 2023 02:48pm)


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Sep 14 2023 12:17pm
Quote (Djunior @ 14 Sep 2023 18:53)
Imagine posting shit like this about targets in Ukraine being destroyed and celebrating it SMH

Who are the shameless clown again?


it's ALMOST like there is a difference between the bully getting hurt and his victim getting hurt, almost as if the invading force losing means to kill innocent people is something i prefer over the defenders losing the means to defend themselves...

it's ALMOST like people who are not kremlin bots DON'T think this is a simplistic "bOtH SiDeS aRe eQuaLLy bAd" situation...
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Sep 14 2023 12:18pm
Quote (Djunior @ Sep 14 2023 06:44pm)
What a complete non-argument. Are you parroting your favorite MSM news outlet?

Fact of the matter is that NK has massive stockpiles of artillery ammo and massive production facilities and NK borders Russia, there are railroad connections without the need to pass through a third country.


We thought Russia had all its manufacturing geared up and supplies were plentiful?
Pick one. That's your problem you want to have your cake and eat it, permanently.

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Sep 14 2023 12:20pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 14 Sep 2023 19:41)
I never claimed that Russia was gonna collapse immediately without the European market. And yes, I still stand by my take that the loss of the European market will hurt Russia big time in the medium and long term.

This is particularly true for their natural gas exports, where it will take many years and tens of billions of investment to build a pipeline infrastructure to China which has the capacity to replace what they already had towards Europe. And like I've explained numerous times, they will never be able to send pipeline gas to India since these pipelines would inevitably have to go through Pakistan or China, i.e. India's two biggest geostrategic foes.


literally no one did. it's one of those ridiculous strawmen russian propagandists (who ironically HAVE been dead wrong on many of their ACTUAL predictions - like "3 months military operation" and "russia will never attack ukraine, it's just US propaganda"...) have to resort to, because they don't have real arguments...
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Sep 14 2023 12:25pm
Quote (fender @ Sep 14 2023 08:17pm)
it's ALMOST like there is a difference between the bully getting hurt and his victim getting hurt, almost as if the invading force losing means to kill innocent people is something i prefer over the defenders losing the means to defend themselves...

it's ALMOST like people who are not kremlin bots DON'T think this is a simplistic "bOtH SiDeS aRe eQuaLLy bAd" situation...


In fact NATO started all this in 2008 so stop crying


Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 14 2023 08:18pm)
We thought Russia had all its manufacturing geared up and supplies were plentiful?
Pick one. That's your problem you want to have your cake and eat it, permanently.


I read that Russia fires 40K-60K shells some days, I guess it means that they have huge stockpiles to be able to do that. That's simple math.

You just pointed out Russia must be desperate. How about Ukraine? They rely 100% on the West to keep supplying them.

Inb4 dodge
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