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Jul 4 2021 08:35pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 4 2021 07:23pm)
I generally do not follow the anti-scientific antivaxxer discourse, so I wasn't even aware that "vaccines will breed mutations" is supposed to be one of their talking points. The scientific side of covid is really as nonpartisan as it gets, it's only the stance on various NPIs where opinions diverge wildly based on partisan ideology.

Do you at least admit that the specific debate among British virologists which I cited is an example of serious scientists arguing that vaccinations can foster dangerous mutations (in a narrow sense, under very specific, but practically relevant conditions)?


"anti-scientific antivaxxer discourse,..."
(yes you are careful to protect your cognitive bias talking yourself into the bill gates jab telling your self you have "reasoned " it out.)

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Jul 4 2021 08:37pm
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It was a 2014 British TV series, which the Americans stole the idea of, remade -- and released on Prime last year, prime-time to let us know how these VAXXines are going to kill us all.


I'm sure whoever held the rights had a say in it being remade for Prime, but I get what you're saying.
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Jul 4 2021 08:40pm
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It was a 2014 British TV series, which the Americans stole the idea of, remade -- and released on Prime last year, prime-time to let us know how these VAXXines are going to kill us all.



VAXXine good enough?

And you're right. I underestimated you. This is not a vaccine. It's a weaponized poison that they'll try to forcibly inject us all with, or maybe we won't get our passports and be segregated from society. The world has literally gone insane.


where it becomes clear is the animal studies and specifically what happened to the animals in the studies. it looks very scary.
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Jul 4 2021 08:42pm
Quote (Cannabist @ Jul 5 2021 03:37am)
I'm sure whoever held the rights had a say in it being remade for Prime, but I get what you're saying.


You can never be too serious here, but it's not far from the truth. They love to give us sneak-peaks of their globalist agenda within much of the media. Just like the movie "Contagion" - which the original post may have been about. It's not about vaccines per-say, but it has some eerie resemblance to what supposedly happened last year.

Besides, they banned anyone who dared to say it may come from a lab from all social media and YouTube over the last 15 months -- and yet, more and more evidence is now pointing to that being the case.

If we were being lied to about the origins of this, who is to say that the vaccines are any different?

I also love the growth of the stock value of all these vaccines companies over the last year.

Moderna have gone from below $20 a share before the pandemic, to over $230 per share right now. Some great returns for those who knew who would be involved in this VAXXine before they were developed, right? *Fauci's emails confirm they were discussing Moderna vaccine as early as Feb 2020.*


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where it becomes clear is the animal studies and specifically what happened to the animals in the studies. it looks very scary.



I agree. There is also evidence that a lot of women are losing their children when they take the shot in the first trimester of pregnancy. They were attempting to get a coronavirus vaccine since the early 2000s, and all the animal died during the trials. It's great they skipped animal testing though, at least for the Sheeple who want to feel safe and secure with their nanny-state sponsored vaccine and free paycheques.

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Jul 4 2021 08:48pm
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You can never be too serious here, but it's not far from the truth. They love to give us sneak-peaks of their globalist agenda within much of the media. Just like the movie "Contagion" - which the original post may have been about. It's not about vaccines per-say, but it has some eerie resemblance to what supposedly happened last year.

Besides, they banned anyone who dared to say it may come from a lab from all social media and YouTube over the last 15 months -- and yet, more and more evidence is now pointing to that being the case.

If we were being lied to about the origins of this, who is to say that the vaccines are any different?

I also love the growth of the stock value of all these vaccines companies over the last year.

Moderna have gone from below $20 a share before the pandemic, to over $230 per share right now. Some great returns for those who knew who would be involved in this VAXXine before they were developed, right? *Fauci's emails confirm they were discussing Moderna vaccine as early as Feb 2020.*





I agree. There is also evidence that a lot of women are losing their children when they take the shot in the first trimester of pregnancy. They were attempting to get a coronavirus vaccine since the early 2000s, and all the animal died during the trials. It's great they skipped animal testing though, at least for the Sheeple who want to feel safe and secure with their nanny-state sponsored vaccine and free paycheques.


the animals died when they were re introduced to the pathogen. the potential horror is off the charts. one can only hope it doesnt happen.
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Jul 4 2021 08:48pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 4 2021 09:23pm)
I generally do not follow the anti-scientific antivaxxer discourse, so I wasn't even aware that "vaccines will breed mutations" is supposed to be one of their talking points. The scientific side of covid is really as nonpartisan as it gets, it's only the stance on various NPIs where opinions diverge wildly based on partisan ideology.

Do you at least admit that the specific debate among British virologists which I cited is an example of serious scientists arguing that vaccinations can foster dangerous mutations (in a narrow sense, under very specific, but practically relevant conditions)?


Absolutely, in specific conditions, it's possible, although not well supported, that it could happen.

There's a specific argument among biologists on if you give antibiotics in big doses to wipe out bacteria, or if you give them at low levels to control bacteria and make it less likely to develop mutations.

It's not settled what happens in general when you have something killing a microbe that doesn't wipe it out. In bacteria they have specific mechanisms to breed mutations when under assault that viruses don't have, so I don't think that's an analagous sitation AFAIK.

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Jul 4 2021 08:51pm
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the animals died when they were re introduced to the pathogen. the potential horror is off the charts. one can only hope it doesnt happen.


They made the choice to get the shot, they will have to suffer the consequences. Personal responsibility and liberty was something the West once fought wars over. Now we give our power over to foreign governments, international entities and allow them to lock us down like animals, taking experimental vaccines in the hopes we will be set back free into the world. The trouble is we are weak-minded, confused souls that are more interested in gender pronouns and declaring ourselves members of the opposite sex, rather than focused on retaining our freedom and individual liberty.
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Jul 4 2021 08:58pm
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They made the choice to get the shot, they will have to suffer the consequences. Personal responsibility and liberty was something the West once fought wars over. Now we give our power over to foreign governments, international entities and allow them to lock us down like animals, taking experimental vaccines in the hopes we will be set back free into the world. The trouble is we are weak-minded, confused souls that are more interested in gender pronouns and declaring ourselves members of the opposite sex, rather than focused on retaining our freedom and individual liberty.


it has always been a very small percent that is willing to fight for freedom. prepare your self. there will be a lot of pressure to get the "vax" b4 next flu season starts. you can see them ramping up the pressure and the trickery
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Jul 4 2021 09:01pm
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it has always been a very small percent that is willing to fight for freedom. prepare your self. there will be a lot of pressure to get the "vax" b4 next flu season starts. you can see them ramping up the pressure and the trickery


I run a website design agency (from home) so don't care to be pressured into taking a VAXX for some sort of job requirement. If I can't go to the club or live events because I didn't have the VAXXine, then I guess they've done me a favour and kept me away from the dumbed-down idiots who think it's worth taking an experimental shot to go get drunk and dance.
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Jul 4 2021 09:04pm
Quote (Prospectz @ Jul 4 2021 09:35pm)
It was a 2014 British TV series, which the Americans stole the idea of, remade -- and released on Prime last year


I looked it up and Prime didn't renew it for a second season because "it hit too close to home". Was the British version good?
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