Quote (Malopox @ Sep 14 2023 11:10am)
You are behind though.
New relevant developments have been discussed many pages ago.
Everyone is now waiting for Germans to figure out how to get out of this mess with a straight face.
I honestly dont see that happening
BERLIN
Russian President Vladimir Putin might be preparing for a long war in Ukraine, Germany’s defense minister said on Wednesday. Speaking at the Federal Academy for Security Policy (BAKS ), Boris Pistorius said he saw no indications that Russia was interested in diplomatic talks to end the war. “I don't see any signs of this, and it seems to me that he is preparing to be able to fight this war for many, many years,” he said.
Pistorius reiterated that Germany will continue to supply weapons to Ukraine, to help Kyiv defend its own territory. He underlined that German weapons systems, such as the Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, have been effective so far, and saved many lives in the country. But he spoke cautiously about Ukraine’s request for long-range Taurus missiles. “The decision hasn't been made yet,“ Pistorius said, adding that he will be supporting Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s line on this. He added that they need to make careful decisions on such matters.
"We have to weigh these possibilities, by comparing them with our national interests. Because we have sworn an oath to protect the German people, and this comes first,” he said. Despite growing pressure from Ukraine, Scholz has been cautious so far about delivering Taurus missiles, fearing that they can be used to attack targets in Russia, and make Germany a party to the conflict. Since the war began in February 2022, Germany provided €22 billion ($24 billion) in financial support to Ukraine, including €12 billion ($13 billion) in military aid. The military assistance included advanced weapons and equipment such as Leopard 2 battle tanks, Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, Marder combat vehicles, and Patriot and IRIS-T air defense systems.
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I dont see this ending for years, and I dont see Germany stepping away.
another headline:
Germany plans to allocate 5 billion euros annually to Ukraine -
https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/germany-plans-to-allocate-5-billion-euros-annually-to-ukraine/The German government intends to allocate EUR 5 billion of military support to Ukraine annually until 2027, said Finance Minister Christian Lindner during a visit to Kyiv. However, the decision still needs to be approved by the German parliament. Germany has provided Ukraine with EUR 22 billion in aid since the beginning of the full-scale war. It is not only about military support but also humanitarian aid, support for displaced persons and the contributions of the Federal Republic of Germany to the International Monetary Fund.
“Right now, we are talking with Ukraine not as a donor country but as a partner country,” Lindner said. The possibility of allocating EUR 5 billion annually to Ukraine was discussed by the ministers of foreign affairs of the EU countries on July 20 during a meeting in Brussels. The assistance is planned for the period of the next four years. “We propose the creation of a dedicated section under the European Peace Facility to provide up to EUR 5 billion a year for the next four years for the defence needs of Ukraine. … This is the evaluation of the needs and the costs of our long-term security commitments to Ukraine,” Josep Borrell, High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, said
This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 14 2023 04:44am