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Sep 10 2023 11:47am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 10 Sep 2023 19:32)
Russia can produce artillery shells, without question. Its entire military doctrine is about setting up and firing masses of unguided shells.
The fact that Kiev did not capitulate and the war didn't end in a matter of days :rolleyes: Means they probably need time to get manufacturing onto a satisfactory level.

That been said you know something is dysfunctional when your leader is publicly celebrating the Kim family dynasty in exchange for military hardware, allegedly.


Btw:

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Russia increases ammunition production, unsuccessful attempts - Reuters

Russia can produce a maximum of 2 million shells per year, but this is insufficient for waging war against Ukraine, according to Reuters.
An unnamed official stated that Russia spent between 10 to 11 million shells in Ukraine over the past year.
"They are in a rather difficult position. If you spent 10 million shells last year and are in the midst of a battle, but can only produce 1-2 million ammunition per year, I don't think that's a very strong position," he said.

Furthermore, Russia can increase tank production to 200 units per year, but this is also insufficient for conducting active combat operations.
"When you've lost 2,000 tanks, it will take you a decade to reach the same quantity you started with," the official noted.
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Sep 10 2023 12:29pm
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Btw:

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Russia increases ammunition production, unsuccessful attempts - Reuters

Russia can produce a maximum of 2 million shells per year, but this is insufficient for waging war against Ukraine, according to Reuters.
An unnamed official stated that Russia spent between 10 to 11 million shells in Ukraine over the past year.
"They are in a rather difficult position. If you spent 10 million shells last year and are in the midst of a battle, but can only produce 1-2 million ammunition per year, I don't think that's a very strong position," he said.

Furthermore, Russia can increase tank production to 200 units per year, but this is also insufficient for conducting active combat operations.
"When you've lost 2,000 tanks, it will take you a decade to reach the same quantity you started with," the official noted.
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There's no doubt that Russia is ramping up production of literally everything. I don't get that people think that it won't happen, Putin recently doubled the 2023 defense budget. And North Korea has massive munitions production facilities believe it or not.

About tank losses and production, old tanks that were lost are now being replaced by brand new T90s for the most part. Medvedev stated that Russia will produce 1500 tanks this year, not 200.

Brand new article September 10 2023 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-turning-ally-north-korea-resupply-arsenal-war-103062142

Talks about munitions, NK, tanks, drones, glide bombs, you should check it out
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Sep 10 2023 12:43pm
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There's no doubt that Russia is ramping up production of literally everything. I don't get that people think that it won't happen, Putin recently doubled the 2023 defense budget. And North Korea has massive munitions production facilities believe it or not.
About tank losses and production, old tanks that were lost are now being replaced by brand new T90s for the most part. Medvedev stated that Russia will produce 1500 tanks this year, not 200.
Brand new article September 10 2023 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-turning-ally-north-korea-resupply-arsenal-war-103062142
Talks about munitions, NK, tanks, drones, glide bombs, you should check it out


Are you sincerly believing this story of producing 1500 tanks a year ?
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Sep 10 2023 12:56pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 10 2023 08:43pm)
Are you sincerly believing this story of producing 1500 tanks a year ?


Lets look at this historical fact

The USSR produced 84,070 T-34s, most of them in wartime when Nazi Germany had overrun a large part of the USSR and complete factories had to be relocated far to the East.

And 44,900 T34s were lost during the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34

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Lets look at this historical fact

The USSR produced 84,070 T-34s, most of them in wartime when Nazi Germany had overrun a large part of the USSR and complete factories had to be relocated far to the East.

And 44,900 T34s were lost during the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34


So I will consider this is as a YES; you clearly believe what Medvedev said: Russia will produce 1500 tanks a year.
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So I will consider this is as a YES; you clearly believe what Medvedev said: Russia will produce 1500 tanks a year.


I showed you a historical fact that shows what that country is capable of.

We know that Putin doubled the defense budget and we know they ordered tank production facilities to work round the clock.

How does Reuters know Russia can only produce 200 units?
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Sep 10 2023 01:44pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 10 Sep 2023 19:09)
Russian General Admits Ukraine Just a 'Stepping Stone' to Invade Europe

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-general-admits-ukraine-just-a-stepping-stone-to-invade-europe/ar-AA1gtZQc?

The real source is Russian TV. IMHO the reality is much more desesperate:

Putin's support among the population is at its lowest point, the russian gov is pushing further authoritarianism and militarism to keep control.
Being against the whole west, victimizing, is THE excuse, the "reason", to proceed. Putin is reducing freedom since a while, but it recently accelerated by alot.
I'm not sure they will succeed, I sincerly hope not. We will see soon enough if the russian people will really end up like slaves, like in North Korea.

At this point I even asked myself if the agression/annexation attempt was deliberately decided for this reason... But.. It doesn't work well:
Russia fired 11 millions rounds while being able to produce 1-2 millions per year. Following reasonable sources their -artillery- is still inferior in performance (range & precision) and now they have lost alot of their -artillery radars-.

Next step seems more nukes threats and shitshow, like NK. And cowdung galettes ofc.

/e sry for typos im just too bored to expand the discussion


Looks like you might have to defend baguetteland against the invading ruskiess like you always wanted pierre!

Good time to start preparing by getting fit and learning how to shoot a gun and fly a drone.
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Quote (Malopox @ 10 Sep 2023 21:44)
Looks like you might have to defend baguetteland against the invading ruskiess like you always wanted pierre!

Good time to start preparing by getting fit and learning how to shoot a gun and fly a drone.


More like Gruuk is unable to properly enter the discussion, or prefers to avoid it with a clownshit joke.

Quote (Djunior @ 10 Sep 2023 21:29)
I showed you a historical fact that shows what that country is capable of.
We know that Putin doubled the defense budget and we know they ordered tank production facilities to work round the clock.
How does Reuters know Russia can only produce 200 units?


You said "Medvedev stated that Russia will produce 1500 tanks this year, not 200."

He also added: "this year".

I take note and we will discuss about it again in... 3 months...

Let's hope it will not be T34s :lol:

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/e clever article from :
Eugene Finkel is an Associate Professor of International Affairs at Johns Hopkins University


Putin can’t be compromised with


The slow-grinding Ukrainian offensive in the country’s south has forced many to accept that the war against Russia might turn out to be a prolonged conflict. But while military experts debate whether or not Ukraine can win this war, and how such a victory could be achieved, the focus on military hardware and territory has skewed the West’s approach to the war and potential solutions. Russia’s war against Ukraine war is not a territorial conflict: it is an identity war aimed at extermination. It will not and cannot be solved by territorial changes or security compromises. Just listen to Putin and take him seriously.

This week, the Russian President sent a message that was extraordinary even by the standards of Russia’s unrestrained wartime propaganda. Speaking to a Kremlin advisory group, Putin declared that 1.5 million Jews, a quarter of all Holocaust victims, were killed by Ukrainian ‘nationalists and anti-Semites’ and that even the Nazis ‘didn’t consider it possible to take part in these mass repressions.’ After that meeting, Putin also told Russian propagandist Pavel Zarubin that ‘western handlers’ deliberately installed an ethnic Jew Volodymyr Zelensky as Ukraine’s president to conceal the country’s ‘anti-human nature.’

It might be tempting to dismiss these statements as conspiratorial lunacy or historical ignorance of an ageing and desperate dictator. It would be wrong. These are not gaffes but prepared, deliberate statements, a message that signals how Putin sees Ukraine and the war. This message is bleak. Putin is not after territory or security. His goal is to destroy Ukraine as a state – and in his vision, there can be no room for compromise.

Putin’s obsession with history and Ukraine go hand in hand. His July 2021 article ‘On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians’ outlined the Russian president’s conviction that Russians and Ukrainians are a single people that were divided by the machinations of foreign powers and that Ukraine is an artificial state. Ukraine, for the Kremlin, was an explicitly ‘anti-Russia’ project concocted by the West.

Putin’s belief in Ukraine being an artificial state has not changed, but the rhetoric is more ominous now.

If in 2021 and the earlier stages of the war Ukraine was ‘anti-Russia’, it is now ‘anti-human’. This shift is important. De-humanisation and genocide go together. Before now, genocidal rhetoric in Russia was previously restricted to propagandists and second-tier officials such as the former president Dmitry Medvedev. Now it comes from a person who can order a nuclear strike and had already positioned Ukraine outside of the shared obligations and norms of humanity.

No less ominous are Putin’s claims about the history of the Holocaust. The participation of Ukrainian nationalists and Nazi collaborators in the murder of the Jews in pogroms, as members of Nazi-organised auxiliary police units and as the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), is well documented. Yet blaming all Jewish victims in Ukraine on the Ukrainians and whitewashing the SS not only distorts the history of the Holocaust, but also reinforces the link that already exists in Putin’s mind between Ukrainian nationalism and Nazism, concealed by the Jewish president sock-puppet and his western masters. These perceptions go beyond Putin’s mind. A new Russian high school history textbook presents the idea of Ukraine’s independence as ‘unthinkable’ and ‘civilisation-ending’ and suggests that Cold War-era popular uprisings in communist dictatorships were CIA plots.

The implications of these beliefs are far-reaching. In Putin’s message there is no place for Nato expansion, security concerns or threats to Russia’s interests as justification for the invasion. Even if such factors did impact Putin’s earlier behaviour, they are no longer relevant. This is now a war of identity, in which no compromises are possible because you cannot compromise with an ‘anti-human’.

The Ukraine that exists in Putin’s worldview cannot be reformed or made human again; it ought to be destroyed so that ‘even the ashes’ – as Dmitry Medvedev put it – do not remain. It will be impossible for the Kremlin to reach an agreement with those it perceives as worse than Nazis, or their ‘foreign handlers’.

Those seeking to end this war need to grasp this reality. Freezing the conflict, a ceasefire, territorial compromise, security guarantees or even Nato membership for Ukraine will do little to change perceptions in Russia. And this problem will only get worse as more and more Russians are educated with a distorted history that dehumanises Ukraine and denies its right to exist. The West and Ukraine must realise that the war is not going away even if the shooting stops.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 10 2023 02:09pm
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Sep 10 2023 02:11pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Sep 10 2023 09:48pm)
You said "Medvedev stated that Russia will produce 1500 tanks this year, not 200."

He also added: "this year".

I take note and we will discuss about it again in... 3 months...

Let's hope it will not be T34s :lol:


I linked an article saying that. Check my post again before embarrassing yourself.

I also liked historic data showing that it can be done. That's over eighty thousand T34s, in case you didn't understand the numbers

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I linked an article saying that. Check my post again before embarrassing yourself.

I also liked historic data showing that it can be done. That's over eighty thousand T34s, if case you didn't understand the numbers


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Quote (Djunior @ 10 Sep 2023 20:29)
About tank losses and production, old tanks that were lost are now being replaced by brand new T90s for the most part. Medvedev stated that Russia will produce 1500 tanks this year, not 200.


We are in september, so roughtly 3 months to wait for the 1500 T90s confirmation. It's fine, everything will be fine.

Any idea what happened to the T-14 Armata btw ? Why not 1500 of these ?
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