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Sep 8 2023 01:03pm
Quote (El1te @ 9 Sep 2023 02:57)
The key difference here is that Russia is NOT systematically committing genocide. To believe so is to be completely ignorant of the truth.

Where are the Russian concentration death camps for Ukrainians? Where are the gas chambers? Where are the furnaces? Where are the mountains of disposed corpses of children, women, and innocent civilians? They don't exist because there isn't any.

Both sides committed war crimes, much like the Allies vs. Axis, where there was even large scale war crimes committed by the Allies such as the firebombing of Dresden & wantonly burning people alive with flamethrowers. But in the case of WW2 only one side was committing open genocide. Russia is NOT committing genocide and to say that they are is extremely irresponsible and devoid of any truth whatsoever.


The buzzword Genocide has been used so frequently it doesn't mean anything anymore.
I am pretty darn sure if at any point Trump gets elected again in the United States, they are going to call conservatives genocidal maniacs because they will do the entire LGBTQ Plus in.
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Sep 8 2023 01:13pm
Quote (fender @ Sep 8 2023 02:39pm)
. my point is that anyone who looks at WWII and declares "both sides were wrong", and leaves it at that, is doing a massive favour to nazi germany, which systematically murdered millions of people, and forcefully annexed / invaded one european country after the other, clearly was the aggressor, and clearly bears the main responsibility and guilt of that .


I would rather be speaking German today than have Jewish pedophiles rule the world.
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Quote (fender @ Sep 8 2023 12:03pm)
no, the russians are, to my knowledge, NOT committing industrial genocide (you should definitely look into their resettlement / discrimination / ethnic "re-structuring" of crimea though, their efforts to make it appear more russian) - but they repeatedly annex territory / invade their neighbours / murdering thousands of innocent civilians in the process. they are clearly the aggressors, they are the ones who started this war, they are the ones who try to conquer territory that isn't theirs - as per their own admission btw...

they also don't speak german, their capital is not berlin, they don't use 1930's technology (for the most part) for their war... any other obvious differences you want to point out in order to DEFLECT FROM THE STRIKING SIMILARITIES?


Every single nation that exists is guilty of resettlement, discrimiation & ethnic restructuring. The allies did it to the Germans in WW2 as well (Germans expelled from nearly everywhere, completely expelled from the Baltics, Koenigsberg was completely conquered and ethnically cleansed by Russia).

These actions are not genocide. They amount to ethnic cleansing at best, depending on the severity of the violence perpetrated.

Is Russia guilty of resettling Ukrainians & populating former Ukrainian territory with ethnic Russians? Yes. This is not genocide and isn't even REMOTELY comparable.

They are also NOT clearly the aggressors. Ukraine had refused to accept the self-determination of the people of the DPR and LPR and continuously attacked them for 8 years, meaning that Ukraine was the aggressor, not Russia. And this isn't even mentioning the very clear aggression of NATO into the Russian sphere of influence.

Equating what Russia is doing to the horrific genocide perpetrated by Germany in WW2 is frankly disgusting.

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The buzzword Genocide has been used so frequently it doesn't mean anything anymore.
I am pretty darn sure if at any point Trump gets elected again in the United States, they are going to call conservatives genocidal maniacs because they will do the entire LGBTQ Plus in.


This is the real truth. Genocide doesn't mean anything anymore because rabid leftists have gone around saying literally everything is genocide, culminating in the absolute insanity of saying that transgender people are suffering a genocide because people won't go along with their delusions. It's absolutely incredible and disgusting, how the hell did we come to this??

Genocide means GENOCIDE. Which means indiscriminately murdering en masse a specific ethno/ethnoreligious group with the intent to destroy them completely. This is serious stuff and people think it's a fucking joke.

You know damn well they will say Trump is committing genocide when all the wackjobs are locked up in insane asylums and remedial colonies (which 100% NEEDS to happen). But hopefully it won't matter because the people who would say that would also be locked away.

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Quote (El1te @ 9 Sep 2023 03:16)
This is the real truth. Genocide doesn't mean anything anymore because rabid leftists have gone around saying literally everything is genocide, culminating in the absolute insanity of saying that transgender people are suffering a genocide because people won't go along with their delusions. It's absolutely incredible and disgusting, how the hell did we come to this??

Genocide means GENOCIDE. Which means indiscriminately murdering en masse of a specific ethno/ethnoreligious group with the intent to destroy them completely. This is serious stuff and people think it's a fucking joke.

You know damn well they will say Trump is committing genocide when all the wackjobs are locked up in insane asylums and remedial colonies (which 100% NEEDS to happen). But hopefully it won't matter because the people who would say that would also be locked away.


:hail:

There is also an uneasy truth in the Russo Ukraine war. I think it is the first time in a long while, that we witness an internal conflict on such a scale between the Orthodox Church.

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The buzzword Genocide has been used so frequently it doesn't mean anything anymore.
I am pretty darn sure if at any point Trump gets elected again in the United States, they are going to call conservatives genocidal maniacs because they will do the entire LGBTQ Plus in.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

It can be wrongly used and abused, but it remains a real word with a real meaning.

Quote (El1te @ 8 Sep 2023 21:16)
This is the real truth. Genocide doesn't mean anything anymore because rabid leftists [...].


If you say so. Genocide never existed, Genocide is a Hoax.

HORRIBLE.

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That's not what I'm saying. Genocide clearly exists, but the word genocide has been so degraded by unjustified utterances by leftists (yes just leftists) that many people no longer understand the meaning of the word.

That includes yourself. None of the events cited here (except arguably the Holodomor) constitute a genocide. The Holodomor is the closest, which could be considered a partial genocide as there was no intent to eradicate the ethnic Ukrainian population, but to cripple them. Which again is close but not complete so it's debatable whether it can be considered a true genocide. Compare this to true genocides such as the Holocaust, the destruction of Carthage, the Rwandan attempted complete genocide of the Tutsis, the destruction of Jerusalem and later the destruction of Bar Kohkba's kingdom, genocides committed by the Mongols, and numerous genocides in Africa that no one documented and countless ethnic peoples that were completely wiped out
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French poodle very attention seeking. Has a habit of barging into other's conversation.
Here is the funny thing about them.

If they are so affected by our thread and form of discourse and discussion.
Why don't they make a new thread to disparage the so called "Orcs" as much as they want.

I am sure with their intelligence and moral righteousness that they will get more views and comments than this particular thread. ^_^

Or maybe they realized deep down inside that they can't because their rhetoric will collapse due constant and incessant mudslinging.

Just to add, I don't think the Frenchie realized that Wikipedia have so much edits by interest groups due to Geo Political warfare that one will have to read in between the lines and look at the source of information and quotes.
He don't even read his own links or watch his own videos at times. So he probably wouldn't understand any simple logic.


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the chinese drunkard is so desperate for other kremlin bots' approval tonight, lol. he's spam-referencing and brown-nosing every war apologist he can find, lol. lonely night, huh?

Quote (El1te @ 8 Sep 2023 21:13)
Every single nation that exists is guilty of resettlement, discrimiation & ethnic restructuring. The allies did it to the Germans in WW2 as well (Germans expelled from nearly everywhere, completely expelled from the Baltics, Koenigsberg was completely conquered and ethnically cleansed by Russia).

These actions are not genocide. They amount to ethnic cleansing at best, depending on the severity of the violence perpetrated.

Is Russia guilty of resettling Ukrainians & populating former Ukrainian territory with ethnic Russians? Yes. This is not genocide and isn't even REMOTELY comparable.

They are also NOT clearly the aggressors. Ukraine had refused to accept the self-determination of the people of the DPR and LPR and continuously attacked them for 8 years, meaning that Ukraine was the aggressor, not Russia. And this isn't even mentioning the very clear aggression of NATO into the Russian sphere of influence.

Equating what Russia is doing to the horrific genocide perpetrated by Germany in WW2 is frankly disgusting.


stop straw-manning me, you desperate pootlicker.

it was russia that instigated the conflict in donbas. their unmarked troops there, the occupation of administrative buildings, all that is well documented. the former was also admitted by pootin on the record btw, so you can ignore it all you want, but the man himself had to concede it's true, lol.

and again, even your propaganda version does not justify russias INVASION, which completely destroyed the region within months, and killed infinitely more civilians than the previous conflict in donbass, when russia "just" sent unmarked troops to wage war.

no matter how you spin it, russia is the aggressor, russia is the main culprit, russia continues to murder innocent civilians by the thousands - and no mental gymnastics from you pootlickers, no silly bothsidesism, no dishonest whataboutism will magically change that simple truth.

This post was edited by fender on Sep 8 2023 01:50pm
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